Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our newest episode (season 4) of the CPDWL Podcast Project where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.

Our guest host for this episode is Dr. Reysa Alenzuela, Head Librarian at Oriental Institute of the Academy of Sciences. This episode’s guests are Elvira Lapuz, University Librarian, The University of the Philippines Diliman (UPD), and Joseph Yap, Doctoral student at Eotvos Lorand University. 

See here for the podcast episode.

Transcript in Filipino and Translations into English by Dr. Reysa Alenzuela:

Reysa: Magandang araw sa lahat nang nakikinig at magandang araw Ray, Joseph and Ms. Elvie. Ako po si Reysa Alenzuela ang co-host ni Ray sa episode na ito. Ikinagagalak ko pong makasama dito kayo sa  IFLA CPDWL Podcast Project. CPDWL stands for Continuing Professional Development and Workplace Learning.  Sa programang ito, nakikipagtalakayan po kami sa mga propesyonal na librarians at sa lahat nang kabahagi ng  mga institutuion ng kaalaman at impormasyon  na sumusuporta at nakikilahok sa gawaing pagpapaunlad ng propesyon. Ang mga panauhin natin ngayon ay sina Joseph Yap at Elvira Lapuz, mga kilalang librarians sa Pilpinas at even ibang bansa din. So, magandang araw Joseph and Ms. Elvie. Pwede bang kayo na mag introduce sa sarili ninyo.

Reysa: Good day to all who are listening and good day Ray, Joseph and Ms. Elvie. I’m Reysa Alenzuela, Ray’s co-host in this episode. I am delighted to be here with you on the IFLA CPDWL Podcast Project. CPDWL stands for Continuing Professional Development and Workplace Learning. In this program, we discuss with professional librarians and all those involved in knowledge and information institutions that support and participate in professional development work. Our guests today are Joseph Yap and Elvira Lapuz, well-known librarians in the Philippines and even in other countries. So, good day Joseph and Ms. Elvie. Can you please introduce yourselves?

Elvira: Sige. Magandang araw po sa lahat. Ako po si Elvira Lapuz, ang kasalukuyang University Librarian ng University of the Philippines- Diliman. Nagkaroon din po ako ng pagkakataong magturo sa School of Library and Informations Studies, nahinto lamang ngayon dahil medyo maraming trabaho. May mga ilang pagkakataon na rin po na na-involve ako sa mga proyekto ng IFLA at patuloy na tumutulong at volunteer nang IFLA. Actually, ako po ngayon ay bahagi o miyembro ng IFLA Regional Development Office, member para sa Asia and Oceania.

Elvira: Ok. Good day everyone. I am Elvira Lapuz, the current University Librarian of the University of the Philippines- Diliman. I also had the opportunity to teach at the School of Library and Informations Studies, but I temporarily stopped at present due to overwhelming  workload. There have been several times that I have been involved in IFLA projects and continue to help and volunteer at IFLA. Actually, I am now part or member of the IFLA Regional Development Office, member for Asia and Oceania.

Joseph: Ako naman si Joseph Yap. Kasalukuyang kumukuha ng doctoral studies sa Budapest sa Hungary. Ang eskwelahan ko ay Eotvos Lorand University, nasa ikalawang taon na ako ng aking pag-aaral at ang paksa ko… mahirap syang Tagalugin pero susubukan ko… tungkol sya sa pakikipag ugnayang sibiko or civic engagement. (Hindi ako sigurado kong yun ang tamang translation sa Tagalog o sa Filipino.) nang mga librarian tungkol sa usapin ng mga impormasyong hindi mapagkakatiwalaan sa social media. Nagtuturo rin ako sa kasalukuyan part time lamang sa dalawang LIS schools sa Pilipinas at dahil kailangan pa rin nating suportahan ang sarili ako ay part time student ano library assistant sa Central European University sa Hungary.

Joseph: I am Joseph Yap. Currently taking doctoral studies in Budapest in Hungary. My school is Eotvos Lorand University, I’m in the second year of my studies and my subject… it’s difficult to translate but I’ll try… it’s about “civic engagement… (I’m not sure that’s the correct translation in Tagalog or Filipino.) [of] librarians about the issue of unreliable information on social media.” I also currently teach only part time in two LIS schools in the Philippines and because I still need to support myself I am a part time student  library assistant at the Central European University in Hungary.

Reysa: Wow ang dami niyong experience at iba iba.  If we try to notice, talagang kino-combine natin yang sa field natin as librarian tapos a nagtuturo sa LIS at  nagre research. mapunta na ako sa first question ko dito: kung ilalarawan ninyo ang inyong sarili gamit lamang ang isang kataga, ano kaya ito? Joseph wanted to start…?

Reysa: Wow, you have a lot of experience and are so diverse. If we try to notice, we often find a convergence of roles within our field, encompassing librarianship, teaching LIS, and conducting research. Now, moving on to my first question: if you had to describe yourself with a single word, what would it be? Joseph would you like to begin…

Joseph: Simulan  ko. Marami sigurong pwedeng ilarawan pero dahil isang salita lang sabihin ko na lang na sa dami ng napagdaanan ko,  ako ay matatag. Kailangan bang ipaliwanag?

Joseph: Let me start. There’s probably a lot to describe, but since I only have one word, I’ll just say that with all the things I’ve been through, I’m strong. Do I need to explain?

Reysa: Sige, paliwanag mo kung bakit matatag.

Reysa: Yes, explain why “strong”.

Joseph: Matatag dahil sa hindi naman po ako ganun kadami ang karanasan pero dun sa mga karanasan na yon natutunan  ko na maging flexible at maging (ano ba tagalog ng flexible maging ) flexible sa mga bagay bagay na kaya ko rin maki makibagay o makisalamuha at kailangan kong i build establish yung sarili ko na kung may mahihirap or challenges man na dumating kailangan kong gampanan yung mga bagay bagay kasi ah ay yun ang kinakailangan para ako ay mapunta o ma achieve yung mga dapat kong gawin. (Ang hirap ng purong Tagalog).

Joseph: I am strong.  I don’t have that much experience, but from those experiences, I learned to be flexible and to be (what is the Tagalog word for flexible to be) flexible in areas that I can also adapt or engage in and I have to build and establish myself that if there are difficulties or challenges that come my way, I have to perform the things because that is what is required for me to reach or achieve what I should do. (It is difficult to explain in pure Tagalog).

Reysa: Totoo yan. Sige, bago ako mag-comment, bigay ko muna kay Miss Elvie yung word niya at explanation.

Reysa: That’s true. Alright, before I give my comment, I’ll give first to Miss Elvie for her one-word description of herself and her explanation.

Elvira: Medyo malapit dun sa binabanggit ni Joseph na matatag. Ito naman ang pwede kong describe ang sarili ko ngayon. Ewan ko kung ano nga siya in Filipino pero resilient. Masasabi ko na lalo na nitong mga nagdaang ilang taon na tayo ay nasa pandemya, napatunayan ko na resilient ako sa maraming bagay. Maaari kong banggitin o maaari kong i-describe ang sarili ko bilang resilient ako. Ang pinakamalapit daw na translation nito sa Filipino, masyadong literal – “nababanat o madaling mabanat”. Ibig sabihin, sumasabay ka sa kung ano yung hugis, galaw, yung kasalukuyan, yung kinalalagyan. Yun kasi yung isang bagay na napatunayan ko nga during this pandemic.Napakaraming pagkakataon na masusukat talaga yung iyong katatagan, yung iyong pagiging flexible, sabi nga ni Joseph. At saka  yung paano mong iaangat yung mga bagay na ginagawa mo sa kung ano yung sitwasyon na kinalalagyan mo. Napakahirap nung nitong magdaang tatlong taon sa atin, hindi ba dahil sa pandemya? Pero napagtagumpayan, napagdaanan ng hindi masyadong nahihirapan. May mga challenging or may mga talagang susubukin yung kakayaan mo. Ngunit yun nga, napagdaanan yun, nalampasan. I believe yun yung isang, yung pagiging resilient talaga. Paano mong magagawang malampasan yung napakahirap na sitwasyon na yun. Kagaya nga yung mga pagdaanan natin.

Elvira: This is pretty close to what Joseph is talking about. This is how I can describe myself now. I don’t know what is the most appropriate translation in Filipino but my description is “resilient.” I can say that especially in the past few years that we have been in a pandemic, I have proven that I am resilient in many things. I can mention or I can describe myself as being resilient. It is said that the closest translation in Filipino is, literally – “stretchable or easy to stretch”. That means, you go along with what is the shape, movement, the present situation. That’s one thing I’ve proven during this pandemic. There are so many instances that really measure your stability, your flexibility, as Joseph said. And how do you connect the things you do to the situation you are in. The last three years have been very difficult for us, isn’t it because of the pandemic? But it was defeated, it was passed without much difficulty. Some are challenging and some will really test your ability. But that’s it, we overcome, and we passed. I believe that is the one, being really resilient. How can you overcome that very difficult situation? Just like what we have been through.

Reysa: Tama. Ang lalim nang mga description nyo.. Matatag, resilient. But those are essentially yung talagang kailangan natin. I’ll go to my next question. Kasi naiintriga din ako, ano kaya hugot ninyo? Bakit yun yung mga words na yun? But well actually, partly you have mentioned and you described why you use those words. So ano kaya nag-udyok sa inyo na maging isang librarian? And paano kayo nagsimula?

Reysa: Right. Those are well-thought/ deep descriptions.. Strong, resilient. But those are essentially what we really need. I’ll go to my next question because I’m also intrigued, where you are coming from? Why those words? But, well, actually, somehow you have mentioned and you described why you use those words. So, what motivated you to become a librarian? And how did you start?

Elvira: Sige. Ito kasi yung ano, ito yung kariniwang tanong, lalo na kung seasoned librarian ka na. Paano ka nag-umpisa? Paano napunta ka sa Library Information Science? For me, ano yun, mga impluwensiya. Mga tao, sitwasyon, mga pangyayari. Nung una akong pumasok ng UP, baka hindi kayo maniwala, ang kursong kinukuha ko ay Theater Arts. Oh. Ang layo, diba? I’m taking up Theater Arts. Kasabay ko si Monique Wilson of the Miss Saigon play. Siya yung understudy ni  Lea Salonga at that time,. Tapos, nagtatrabaho din ako bilang student assistant sa UP College of Law Library. And alam nyo ba kung sino ang aking mga bosses that time? Wala nang iba kundi si,  ang yumaong si Atty. Antonio M. Santos. at si Atty. Vyva Aguirre. O sino naman ang hindi, diba? At talagang gugustuhin na makatongtong kahit dun sa ilang hakbang lang na dinaanan nila or na naabot nila. So, I should say sila yung mga impluwensiya. So, yun. And secondly, it’s economics. Ano ba yung, nung mga panahon na yun, ano ba yung sa tingin ko ay kurso na pagkatapos kong mag-aral, eh siguradong may trabaho ako. Praktikal lang na pagtingin sa mga bagay-bagay, diba? So, sabi ko, oo nga, parang maraming kumukuha ng, maraming teachers na hihirapan maghanap ng trabaho pero hindi ng mga librarians. Ang mga librarians, lalo na nung mga panahon na yun na nag-umpisa ako, napakadali. So, yun, parang mula sa third floor ng Gonzales Hall, bumaba lang ako sa reference, sa ground floor. Yun na yun. The rest is history, sabi nga.

Elvira: Alright. This is what it is, this is a common question, especially if you are a seasoned librarian. How did you start? How did you get into Library and Information Science? For me, it was those influences? People, situations, events. When I first entered UP, you might not believe it, the course I was taking was Theater Arts. So unrelated, right? I’m taking up Theater Arts. Together with Monique Wilson of the Miss Saigon play. He was Lea Salonga’s understudy at that time. Then, I also work as a student assistant at the UP College of Law Library. And do you know who my bosses were at that time? None other than the late Atty. Antonio M. Santos. and Atty. Vyva Aguirre. Or who wouldn’t [be influenced], right? And I really want to be able to reach even just a few steps that they have gone through or that they have reached. So, I should say they are the influences. So, that’s it. And secondly, it’s economics. What was that… in those days, what did I think was the course where after I finished school, I’m sure I had a job. Just a practical way of looking at things, right? So, I said, yes, it seems like many are hiring, many teachers will struggle to find work but not librarians. The librarianship, especially in those days when I started, was very easy (to get into the job]. So, just like that, from the third floor of Gonzales Hall, I just went down to the reference, to the ground floor. That’s it. The rest is history, as they say.

Reysa: Ganda…. Joseph, gaya ng nakararami kapag tinatanong bakit ka naging librarian?

Reysa: Nice…. Joseph, as most people ask, why did you become a librarian?

Joseph: Hindi ko rin unang kurso yung Library and Information Science. Ang una kong kinuha ay Business Administration. Pero hindi pa ako sa UP nun, eh. Galing ako ng PLM. Tapos, sa kagustuhan ng nanay ko na mag-UP ako, subukan kong mag-UP. So, pumunta ko ng UP at nag-apply. At ang mga available na kurso nun ay Filipino, History, Library and Information Science. So, ano kaya yung pwede kong kunin? At wala naman marami sa mga panahon, kahit siguro hanggang ngayon, kapag tinatanong mo, ah, may kurso palang Library and Information Science. So, dahil kailangan magsulat sa papel, so sinulat ko Library and Information Science. Walang kaalam-alam kung ano ang kursong yun. Kapag nung tinatanong sa interview,  panel interview, bakit ka nandito, bakit gusto mo mag-LIS? Sinusubukan kong i-connect yung Business Administration tsaka Library and Information Science. At yung, nung pag tumingin-tingin lang ako, at ang pinakamalapit ay Management of Libraries. So, siguro pwede na, kaya tama naman yun, no? In-organize, minamanage ang libraries. At hindi ko alam kung tama o mali ang sagot ko, basta nga alam ko, nakapasok ako sa UPSLIS. Tapos, yun, ngayon, librarian na ako.

Joseph: Library and Information Science is not my first course either. The first one I took was Business Administration. But I’m not in UP yet, eh. I am from PLM. Then, as my mother wanted me to go to UP, I tried to do UP. So, I went to UP and applied. And the available courses are Filipino, History, Library and Information Science. So, what should I take? And there weren’t many at the time, at least until now, when you ask, ah, there is a Library and Information Science course. So, because I had to write on paper, I wrote Library and Information Science. No idea what that course is. When asked in the interview, panel interview, why are you here, why do you want to do LIS? I am trying to connect Business Administration with Library and Information Science. And that, when I just looked around, and the closest concept is the Management of Libraries. So, maybe it’s possible, so that’s right, right? Libraries are organized and managed. And I don’t know if my answer is right or wrong, as long as I know, I got into UPSLIS. Then, that’s it; now, I’m a librarian.

Reysa: Yes, tama. Dun sa bahagi na hindi nyo first choice ang librarianship, pareho din sa akin. Ano lang, sabi ko gusto ko lang kumuha pa na isang course. Nabobore ako sa field ko. So, kaya sabi ko, dagdag nga ako, gusto ko naman mag-research. And the same thing din, sabi nung isang teacher ko, sabi niya, ay, madaming vacancy sa librarianship. So, try mo. So, ginawa ko naman. Yun nga sinasabi ko parati, yung career ko, hindi ko pinili talaga. Pero yung career ko yata yung pumili sa akin. But in the long run, look at what both of you are right now, di ba? I mean, ang dami niyong kontribusyon, ang dami niyong  mga nagagawa sa Pilipinas. At alam ko, madaming hangang-hanga sa inyo. Isa na ako doon. And I’m really honored also to work with you in some aspects. So, at tignan na naman natin sa side na yung field natin, is hindi lang siya nalilimit sa Pilipinas. Ngayon, parang kami ni Joseph, nagtrabaho din sa labas ng bansa. And yun nga, I mean, we like being here outside the country. Pero in that case, parang wherever we are in our field, dahil nandun na tayo sa information age, we adapt to the globalized environment and that’s our main thrust. Access to information or universal access to information. Punta na ako sa susunod kong tanong. So sa inyong opinion, ano ang ibig sabihin para sa inyo ng global librarianship? At nagbago ba itong pananaw ninyo sa paglipas ng panahon? 

Reysa: Yes, that’s right. As for the part that librarianship is not your first choice, it’s the same [story]  for me. I said [to myself] I just want to take one more course. I am bored with my [other] field [of study]. So, that’s how I decided I wanted another course/ major and since I love to do research. And the same thing, one of my teachers advised that there are many vacancies in librarianship. So, I tried it. And, I did. As I always say, I didn’t really choose my career [as a librarian] in the beginning. I think it was my career that chose me. But in the long run, look at what both of you are right now, right? I mean, you have a lot of contributions, a lot of things that you have done in the Philippines. And I know, you are looked up to by our colleagues and I am one of them. And I’m really honored to work with you in some aspects. So, let’s look again at the side of our field,  which is not limited to the Philippines. Today, it seems like Joseph and I, have likewise worked outside the country. And that’s it, I mean, we like being here outside the country. But in that case, it seems that wherever we are in our field, as we’re in the information age, we adapt to the globalized environment and that’s our main thrust – Access to information or universal access to information… I’m going to my next question. So, in your opinion, what does global librarianship mean to you? And has your perspective changed over time?

Elvira: Para sa akin, global librarianship mas para ito sa atin na mga information professionals. Tingnan lang natin sa, huwag mo nang lumayo, within the region, like say ASEAN. Dito lang sa atin, mahalaga yung magkaroon ng ugnayan or connection, engagement. Ang mga information professionals kasama ng mga librarians, archivists, dahil kung tutuusin pare-pareho tayo ng mga concerns, pare-pareho tayo in a way, konektado yung ating ginagawa. Siguro dahil na rin meron tayong commonalities, global and yet, maraming mga pagkakataon na pare-pareho tayo ng kailangan pag-isipan, ng kailangan pagtunan ng pansin, ng kailangan gawa ng desisyon.So, importante na nagkakaroon tayo ng pagkakaintindihan, kaya nandyan yung mga organisasyon kagaya ng CONSAL, kagaya ng SEAPAVA. At lahat yun, maswerte tayo kasi nagkaroon tayo ng involvement doon sa mga yun. Nagkaroon din tayo ng pagkakataon na makilala, makatrabaho sa ilang proyekto. Yung mga librarians galing sa iba’t ibang bansa, dito pa lang sa region na to. Kung lalayo naman tayo, na talagang sasabihin natin global, nandyan dyan ng IFLA. Maswerte rin tayong tatlo na nagkaroon tayo ng pagkakataon na maging bahagi ng mga proyekto. Pwede natin sabihin o i-claim na volunteers tayo ng IFLA in a way. So, that for me is what being a… what global librarianship is. Having that connection, having that opportunity to solve yung mga specific concerns in the field na meron tayo dahil come to think of it, pare-pareho na yan eh. Siguro naman ngayon pag sinabi natin information professional, ang reason for being natin is to fight misinformation, disinformation, how do we deal with fake news, di ba? So pare-pareho yan.  Kung concern yan sa Pilipinas, malamang concern din yan kahit sa inyo sa Europe, sa US. So for me, that’s global librarianship. And I want to make a claim na bahagi tayo ng yan at nagagawa natin yan. Ako kahit nandito sa Pilipinas at kayo na nandyan sa Europa ngayon. At si Ray na nasa Amerika.

Elvira: For me, global librarianship is more for our group – the information professionals. Let’s just look at (without going too far)  within the region, like say ASEAN. Even here in our region, it is important to have a relationship or connection –  engagement. The information professionals together  – the librarians, archivists, we have the same concerns, we are the same line of work, what we do is connected. Maybe because we also have commonalities, global and yet, there are many times when we have the same things to discuss, to address, to make decisions. So, it is important that we have an understanding. There are organizations like CONSAL, like SEAPAVA and all that. We are lucky because we had involvement in those [local and regional organizations]. We also had the opportunity to meet, to work on some projects [together]. The librarians from different countries are still here in this region. If we go further, which if  really look at the global context, IFLA is there. The three of us are also fortunate that we had the opportunity to be part of the projects. We can say or claim that we are IFLA volunteers in a way. So, for me, this is what being a… what global librarianship is. Having that connection, having that opportunity to solve the specific concerns in the field that we have because come to think of it, that’s the same thing. Maybe now when we say information professional, our reason for being is to fight misinformation, disinformation, how do we deal with fake news, right? So that’s the same. If that is a concern in the Philippines, it is probably also a concern even for you in Europe, in the US. So for me, that’s global librarianship. And I want to make a claim that we are part of that and we can work together. Even though I am here in the Philippines and you are in Europe right now. And Rey who is in America.

Joseph: Tama po Ma’am Elvie. So,yung global librarianship kahit nasa lokal ka, kahit saan ka actually kung paano mo i-define yung pagiging lokal o global. Pero dahil global, ito yung pagsubok na alamin o malaman kung ano yung nangyayari sa ibang lugar o bahagi ng mundo. Hindi siya nananatili na ang ginagawa mo sa isang lugar, yung konteksto na yun, ay gusto mo rin malaman kung ano kaya yung practices sa ibang lugar, ano kaya yung standards na meron sila, paano kaya nila siniserbisyohan ang kanilang mga kliyente o patron. Gayon din, nasusukat din niya  yung global librarianship,[kung] paano ba yung kultura doon at paano nila ina-apply yun sa sarili nilang bansa? At kaya ba yun i-adapt sa sariling konteksto [lokal]? Kasi hindi naman lahat na ginagawa na. Halimbawa, kung gusto natin malaman yung pagseserbisyo ba sa mga Intsik ay kapareho kapag nagsisilbi  sa mga Pilipino, yung mga ginagawa ba na magagandang practices, halimbawa sa Finland o sa Amerika, kaya ba yun i-adapt sa Pilipinas? So yung global librarianship ay pagtingin kung ano yung magaganda na pwede nilang gawin at hindi rin magaganda, at lahat ba yun, pwede ba siya mangyari sa konteksto mo sa lokal. Yung global librarianship ay yung pakipag-ugnayan, (tama po yun?), sa iba’t-ibang librarians sa iba’t-ibang bahagi ng mundo para alam din natin kung tama rin yun; pareho ba tayo ng suliranin o problema na kinakaharap? Paano kaya natin yun masosolve first locally and then globally para lahat tayo interconnected or konektado? 

Joseph: That’s right Ma’am Elvie. So,  global librarianship even if you are local, no matter where you are, actually it is how do you define being local or global. But because it’s global, this is the challenge  to find out what’s happening in another place or other parts of the world. It is not limited to what you do in one place; this is the context where you also want to be aware of  what are the practices  in other places, what standards they have, how they serve their clients or patrons. Likewise, global librarianship is also exemplified by exploring how is the culture there [in other countries] and how do they apply that   [librarinaship practices]to themselves? And can that [practice] be adapted to one’s own context? Because not everyone does. For example, if we want to know if the delivery of service for Chinese [clienteles] is the same when we serve Filipinos; are the good practices that are done, for example in Finland or America, can that be adapted to the Philippines? So, global librarianship is looking at what is good that they can do and what is not good, and whether is that all, can it be applied in your local context. Global librarianship is the connection among  librarians in different parts of the world [as a form of engagement] where  we also look into [explore] if we have the same problem or problems faced? How can we solve those [issues] first locally and then globally as we are all interconnected or connected?

Reysa: Tama talaga. Few terms I was just picking up are yung connectivity, yung connection, engagement, pakipag-ugnayan. Which for me [we associate them with IFLA activities], in my experience, this is I think my second time in IFLA. Yung first ko, actually kasama ko si Miss Elvie sa Wroclaw. So yun nga, that’s a perfect environment where we can engage with each other. Ang tanong ko lang is paano kayo unang nakasali or na-involve sa IFLA? 

Reysa: That’s so true. Few terms I was just picking up are connectivity, connection, engagement, interaction. Which for me [we associate them with IFLA activities],, in my experience, this is [what I see] as I think this my second time in IFLA. On my first, I was actually with Miss Elvie in Wroclaw. IFLA a perfect environment where we can engage with each other. My question is how did you first join or get involved in IFLA?

Joseph: Simula nung ako yung estudyante pa lamang, paksa naman natin na pag-aaralan natin yung IFLA. So lagi akong excited na makarating o maka-join sa mga IFLA activities. At ngayon pa lang akong taon, unang-una akong makakarating, hopefully matuloy na siya, na makasama sa Rotterdam. Pero may mga IFLA activities naman na dahil webinar o dahil dulot ng pandemic, ay naimbitahan ako na makapagsalita o makapagbahagi ng mga knowledge sharing activities ng IFLA. So naimbitahan ako na magsalita tungkol sa misinformation, disinformation, fake news ng CPDWL din actually. So that’s the story ng IFLA-CPDWL. Tapos sinubukan ko rin na maging bahagi ng CPDWL sa eleksyon noong 2021 pero hindi ako umabot. So okay lang yun, ibig sabihin marami pang pagkakataon na pwede pa rin akong magsilbi sa IFLA. Marami rin naman tayong ibang ginagawa. So I think yun pa lang yung naging contribution ko sa IFLA. But kahit hindi naman tayo talaga direct na bahagi ng IFLA, tayo ay tumitingin sa lahat ng mga ginagawa ng IFLA dahil nagiging reference natin siya sa lahat ng ating ginagawa. 

Joseph: Since I was a student, IFLA has been our topic of study. So I’m always excited to reach or join IFLA activities. And it’s only this year, it will be my first time to go [to IFLA Congress], hopefully I’ll be able to go, to be in Rotterdam. However, there are IFLA activities that because of webinars or because of the pandemic, I have been invited to speak or do some knowledge sharing activities with IFLA. I was invited to speak about misinformation, disinformation, fake news of CPDWL also actually. So that’s my story of IFLA-CPDWL. Then I also tried to be part of CPDWL in the 2021 election but I didn’t make it. That’s okay, there are many more opportunities that I can still serve at IFLA. We also do a lot of other things. I think that was the only contribution I made to IFLA [for now]. But even though I am not really a direct part of IFLA, I look at all the activities of IFLA because it becomes our reference in everything we do.

Elvira: Sa akin naman, napakahaba na ng nilakbay ko kasama ang IFLA. Nagumpisa yan noong 2004. Yan ang pinakaunang naaalala ko na nabigyan ako ng pagkakataon through a grant na unang maka-attend ng isang IFLA Congress sa Buenos Aires, sa Argentina. Nasundan pa yun ng isang grant muli para naman sa information literacy workshop na ginawa naman sa New Zealand, sa Wellington. Through a grant din. So, narinig na ako ng pagkakataon na makapagsulat para sa IFLA noong 2005 kung saan isang artikulo ang natanggap na dapat sana i-present ako doon sa 2005 World Library Information Congress pero dahil napakalayo ng Norway, medyo naging mahirap para sa akin ang makapunta roon. Pero nailathala pa rin yung contribution ko ng papel. Sumunod na doon, naging bahagi ako, naging associate ako ng International Leaders Program ng IFLA. Ito yung second cohorts kung saan kasama ko ang ilang librarians. I think we’re 12? Di ko na maalala kung ilang kami basta iba’t ibang bansa,  galing sa iba’t ibang bansa yung nakasama ko sa programa ngayon. Tatlong taong programa yun ng IFLA kung saan nabuo kami bilang mga cohorts ng IFLA kung saan tutulong kami sa pagbabahagi, sa pagsali sa mga proyekto. Ang isang pinakamalaking tungkulin namin o inaasan sa amin bilang mga associates ng International Leaders Program ay tutulong kami sa pag-promote ng role ng libraries in development at naka-ankla ito sa 17 SDGs, United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. Ako ay isang advocate ng 17 SDGs. I have the pin. (Suot ko ngayon) Malaking hamon ito bilang isang librarian, bilang isang information professional na ikaw ang magiging boses o ako ang magiging boses ng United Nations. At kailangan madali kong maibabahagi yung kahalagahan ng pag-intindi at how important it is for us to take the 17 SDGs seriously. Dahil ito yung magiging gabay natin at ito yung magiging unang panuntunan kung paano sa susunod na taon ay naririto pa tayo. Sustainability. Hindi lang para sa ngayon kundi sa susunod na generasyon. So yun yung mga naging role namin.

And then I’m on my second term na bilang membro ng IFLA Regional Development Office for Asia and Oceania. So bahagi ako, member ako nun. And ishare ko lang isang napaka-memorable na naging bahagi ako ng IFLA is noong 2016 kung saan nag-host ang Pilipinas para sa BSLA workshop or Building Strong Library Associations na ginanap dito sa Manila.So naka-host na ako was in 2016 ako ang presidente ng PLAI noong taon na yun at nagkaroon ng parang pagtitipon or gathering noong mga naging kabahagi ng IFLA para dun nga sa Building Strong Library Associations na initiative ng IFLA. At dito ginawa yun sa Pilipinas. So napakalaking bagay na naimbitahan natin dito kasama ang noon ay Pangulo o Presidente ng IFLA, si Ms. Donna Scheeder na namayapa na at yung dating Secretary General. So yun, sabi ko sa inyo napakahaba na parang talagang I live and breathe IFLA. Talagang napakahaba na naging bahagi ako ng IFLA as an international organization. 

Elvira: On my end, I have had a long  journey with IFLA. It started in 2004. That’s the first time I remember that I was given the opportunity through a grant to attend an IFLA Congress in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I continued with a grant to participate in the information literacy workshop that was done in New Zealand, in Wellington (Also through a grant). Then, I heard about the opportunity to write for IFLA in 2005 where an article was received that I was supposed to present there at the 2005 World Library Information Congress but because Norway is so far away, it was a bit difficult for me to get there. But my contribution was still published. After that, I became a part, I became an associate of IFLA’s International Leaders Program. This is the second cohort where I am with some librarians. I think we’re 12? I can’t remember how many of us there were, I am sure we were from different countries, the people I was with in the program today were from different countries. It’s a three-year program of IFLA where we are formed as cohorts of IFLA where we will help sharing, participating in projects. One of our major tasks or expected of us as associates of the International Leaders Program is to help promote the role of libraries in development and it is anchored in the 17 SDGs, United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. I am an advocate of the 17 SDGs. I have the pin. (I’m wearing it now) It’s a big challenge as a librarian, as an information professional that you will be the voice or I will be the voice of the United Nations. And it is necessary for me to share the importance of understanding and how important it is for us to take the 17 SDGs seriously. Because this will be our guide and this will be the first rule of how in the coming years we will be here – sustainability. Not just for this generation but for the next generation. So those were our roles.

And now, I’m on my second term as a member of the IFLA Regional Development Office for Asia and Oceania. So, I’m a part, I’m a member of that [section]. I want to share a very memorable experience –  that I was part of IFLA in 2016 where the Philippines hosted the BSLA workshop or Building Strong Library Associations held here in Manila. So, I already experience hosting in 2016, I was the president of PLAI (Philippine Librarians Association, Inc.)  that year and there was an IFLA gatheirng for Building Strong Library Associations initiative. And it was held in the Philippines. It was a very significant role that we have  invited here  the then President or President of IFLA, Ms. Donna Scheeder (who has already passed away) along with the former Secretary General. So that’s it, I can sya that  for a long tim I really live and breathe IFLA. I have been part of IFLA as an international organization for a really long time.

Reysa:  Nakaka-aliw naman. Ang dami n’yong experience. I know, I’ve seen Joseph, madami siyang involvement sa IFLA din. Isa lang nakikita ko dito kasi yung involvement natin sa IFLA hindi nagtatapos sa Congress o sa programa kung saan tayo nag-evolve. Parang tuloy-tuloy ang commitment na yan kasi yun nga yung mga issue na hinaharap natin. Pero sa inyo, tuloy-tuloy pa rin. We address different areas especially itong sustainability. Talagang hindi siya natatapos and of course those issues on information literacy and other specific topics.

Punta naman ako sa susunod kong question. Because we are doing these things in IFLA dahil sa profession natin at sa passion din natin. Para sa inyo, ano ba pinakakasabik or in general nakaka-excite sa profession natin? Who wants to start? Joseph?

 

Reysa: It is amazing that you have a lot of experience. I know, I’ve seen Joseph – he has a lot of involvement in IFLA as well. I also see one thing here: bour involvement in IFLA, it [our roles]  does not end at the Congress or the program where we involved. That commitment seems to be continuous along with those issues we are facing. For both of you, it has been an ongoing endeavour. We address different areas especially sustainability. It really doesn’t end, and [the smae] of course those issues on information literacy and other specific topics. I’m moving to my next question. As we are doing these things in IFLA because of our profession and our passion, for you, what is the most exciting about our profession? Who wants to start? Joseph?

 

Joseph: Para sa profession, dahil tayo ay nagde-deal sa information, nagbabago-bago yung mga pagtingin o pagkuha natin ng information. So sa akin I think patuloy ko lang na aalamin o patuloy ko lang na kukunin or maging aggressive sa challenges na dulot ng impormasyon. Kung ano man yun, kaya importante na dapat patuloy tayong nag-research tungkol doon. At patuloy din tayong nagtuturo sa mga, hindi lang kapwa librarians kundi sa patrons natin, kung paano nga ba nila harapin yung information araw-araw. So mas doon ako excited kasi nga dahil pabago-bago yung trend na yan ng information, mabuti man o masama ang dulot niya, kailangan natin maintindihan kung para saan ‘yun.

 

Joseph: For the profession, because we deal with information, the way we view or obtain information changes. So for me, I think I will just continue to learn or I will just continue to take or be aggressive in the challenges caused by information. Whatever it is, it is important that we continue to research about it. And we also continue to teach those, not just fellow librarians but our patrons, how to deal with information every day. So I’m more excited because that trend of information is changing, whether it’s good or bad, we need to understand what it is for.

 

Elvira: I agree with Joseph 100%. Basically yun din yung palaging nasa isip ko. Napakaraming oportunidad sa ating profession para meron kang gagawin everyday na bago. Kasi kailangan mong sumabay doon sa nagbabago rin. Hindi lang trends, hindi lang yung mga issues, hindi lang yung mga challenges. Kundi everyday may magdidiskubre ka na mapapaisip ka na masasabi mo na ano kaya pwede kong gawin para doon, ano kaya yung pwede kong bagong alamin.Hindi tayo magkakaroon ng, kung baga, hindi risk sa atin o hindi kailanman natin sasabihin na mabobore ako kasi wala na akong gagawin in this profession. Hindi eh kasi parang araw-araw meron kang madidiskubre na bago o gusto mong mabago. Yun yung pinakamaganda sa profession natin. Hindi mo sasabihin na bukas wala na akong gagawin kasi nakagawa ko na ngayon o natapos ko na kahapon. Kasi bukas pweding iba na naman yung concern. Akala mo na sagot mo na yung tanong kanina pero mamayang hapon iba na naman pala. So, everyday is a day for new challenges or something new to look forward to palagi. Siguro kung sa iba hindi exciting ito, for me parang yun lang masabi mo na may bagong tanong kang sasagutin napakagandang dahilan na yun, (sabi nga nila) para saan ka o para kanino ka bumabangon sa umaga. So yun yun eh. Tayo parang ang ganda sabihin na bumabangon ako sa umaga kasi alam ko may bago na naman akong madidiskubre o may bago na naman akong malalaman. So yun eh dahil nandito tayo sa profession ito.

 

Elvira: I agree with Joseph 100%. Basically that’s what I always have in my mind. There are so many opportunities in our profession so that you have something new to do everyday. Because you have to keep up with the changes. Not just trends, not just the issues, not just the challenges but everyday you will discover something that will make you think that makes you ask yourself: “What can I do”, how can I learn new things?” We will not have, as it seems, the risk or we will never say that I will be bored because there is nothing that I no longer have things to do in this profession. Every day you discover something new or you want to change. That’s the best thing about our profession. You don’t say that tomorrow I won’t do anything because I did it today or I finished it yesterday. Because tomorrow the concern may be different. You thought you answered the question earlier, but this afternoon you will another one. So, everyday is a day for new challenges or something new to always look forward to. Maybe if it’s not exciting for others, for me I can consider  that even the mere fact that there is a new question to answer, that’s a very good reason, (as they say) what are you [living] for or for whom do you get up in the morning. So that’s it. We think it’s nice to say that I get up in the morning because I know that I will discover something new or that I will know something new. So that’s why we are here in this profession.

 

Reysa: Tama, Miss Elvie. Yun yung reason to wake up in the morning. Always nag-eevolve ang information. Dahil tayo nagtatalakay sa information. Di lang tayo nagtatrabaho dealing with information pero at the same time sabi nga ni Joseph nag-educate din tayo, nag-advocate din tayo. So yung competencies mo hindi nagiging stagnant. That’s what I also see in the field na exciting siya. You have something to solve or something to discover everyday. Well, I know some who are in the profession, sabi nga nila daw underrated yung profession natin. Or minsan nahihiya sila, librarian lang ako. So dahil sa experience ko din, at sa mga naririnig ko sa mga younger na librarian, yun ba yung iba ayaw kumuha ng librarianship dahil dyan sa reason na yan. Ano ang payo ninyo para sa pag-unlad ng propesyon na gusto ninyong ibahagi lalo na sa mga bago at gusto pang sumali sa IFLA? Miss Elvie, you want to start?

 

Reysa: You are right, Miss Elvie, that’s the reason to wake up in the morning. Information is always evolving. Because we are discussing information, we are not only working dealing with information but at the same time as what Joseph said we are also educating, we are also advocating. So your competencies do not become stagnant. That’s what I also see in the field that  is exciting. You have something to solve or something to discover everyday. Well, I know some who are in the profession, they say that our profession is underrated. Or sometimes they are shy saying that “I’m just a librarian”. With my experience, and what I hear from younger librarians, there are thosr who don’t want to take librarianship for  that reason. What professional development advice would you like to share especially with those new to IFLA? Miss Elvie, do you want to start?

 

Elvie: Paano nga ba? Sa akin kasi, parang kung titignan mo parang ang dali, naging madali. Pero sa totoo lang, kailangan mo rin talagang magkaroon ng yung sariling initiative. Wag kang mahihinto kung nagkaroon ka ng parang rejection sa umpisa. Kasi kasama yun eh. Maganda rin na you establish your network. Malaking bagay na sa bawat pagkakataon marami kang makikilala, may bago kang malalaman, grab it. Huwag mong hahayaan na lumampas ang mga pagkakataon na yun. Siguro, isang malaking bagay din kung meron kang goal, kung meron kang iniisip na gusto mong makuha or gusto mong makamit, sabi nga nila, “eye on the goal”,, ano yung target mo? Ano yung gusto mong ma-achieve? Sa akin, simple lang kasi yung naging umpisa na parang okay gusto kong magtrabaho, gusto kong magstay sa UP, gusto ko na magkaroon ng pagkakataon makalabas ng Pilipinas. Bilang isang librarian kung titignan parang paano yun? Ano yung mga pwede kong gawin? So ano, paano? Pwede kang mag-research. Take those opportunities kung magkakaroon ka ng invitations to share kung ano yung mga naging resulta ng researches mo. At ang pinaka-importante, humanap ka ng paraan kung paano kang makakakuha ng suporta. Kasi alam na, lalo na dito sa atin, alam nyo naman na napakahirap, hindi madali para makakuha ng suporta para ikaw makaalis, makasali at magkakaroon ka nang pagkakataon na i-share kung ano man yung mga naging resulta ng researches mo. Dapat marunong ka rin mag-strategize kung paano mo yung makakuha. Ang sinasabi ko rito is, if you need support, look for it. Hindi pwedeng mag-intay ka lang, hindi pwedeng sabi mo, ah naku, I’m sure tutulungan ako ng mga ganito. Hahanapin mo talaga sila. So, yun. Talagang dapat lang may initiative ka at dapat lang you should establish your network. Napakalaking bagay na nun. 

 

Elvie: (How do I say this?) For me, if you look at,  it seems easy, it was easy. But in reality, you also really need to have your own initiative. Don’t stop if you encountered rejections in the beginning because that’s part of it. It’s also good that you establish your network. It’s important that in every chance you get to know more [people in the profession], you get to know something new, grab it. Don’t let those opportunities pass you by. Maybe, it’s also plays an important role  to have a goal, if you have something in mind that you want to get or you want to achieve, as they say, “eye on the goal” –  what is your target? What do you want to achieve? For me, it was simple because the beginning was just simply [a goal that] I want to work, I want to stay in UP, I want to have the opportunity to get out of the Philippines. As a librarian if you look at you might ask yourself : How things are done? What can I do? So what, how? You can do research. Take those opportunities if you have invitations to share the results of your researches. And most importantly, find a way to get support. Because we know, especially here [in the Philippines], it is very difficult, it is not easy to get support so that you can travel, participate and you will have the opportunity to share whatever the results of your researches are. You should also know how to strategize how to get what you want. What I’m saying here is, if you need support, look for it. You can’t just wait, you can’t say, oh my, I’m sure people  will help me. You have to find them. So, that’s it. You must have an initiative and you should establish your network. That itself will suffice [for you to achieve your goal]

 

Reysa: Joseph may dadagdag ka?

 

Reysa: Joseph do you have anything to add?

 

Joseph: Para sa mga bago at medyo naguguluhan pa kung ipagpapatuloy niyo yung profession, una sa lahat, enjoyin mo muna yung ginagawa mo. Dahil bago ka pa lang sa profession, mag-observe ka, obserbahan mo yung mga kaganapan, alamin mo yung mga katrabaho mo, baka hindi mo pa sila kilala. Mag-reach out ka sa mga malalapit na libraries, sumali ka, hindi lang sa IFLA kundi sa PLAI. Sumali ka ng iba’t ibang associations na available sa local or region mo, sa councils mo. Tapos makibahagi ka, importante yun.

 

Hindi po pwede na nandoon ka lang sa isang sulok ng library. Ikaw ay nagde-deal ulit sa information at yung information na yun marami ka rin makukuha na information galing sa iba. Hindi naman nagtatapos na ikaw lang ay nagtatrabaho, time in time out. Inalam mo yung pangyayari sa araw-araw. At yung pagiging librarian dapat may awareness sa nangyayari sa lipunan. Hindi pwede na magaling ka lang mag-katalog, hindi pwede na magaling ka lang na reference librarian. Kailangan magaling kang librarian. Alam mo yung nangyayari sa labas at i-apply mo yun sa loob. Halimbawa hindi mo alam na pinapasara na yung ibang libraries. Ikaw bilang bagong librarian, wala ka bang masasabi tungkol dito? Ikaw dapat yung nagtatanggol. At yun dapat nagsisimula pa lang bago ka pag-graduate. So bilang isang bago at hindi pa sigurado kung ikaw ay ipagpapatuloy, baka iba na ang gusto magbenta ka na lang siguro ng insurance. (Hindi, walang masama dun. Kailangan magbenta.Masasabi daw nila. Nagawa yun para pang dagdag. Okay yun.) Pero kung hindi ka sigurado sa iyong panggagawin, I think yun nga maganda siguro na makipagtalakayan ka sa iba at alamin ano ba ang future ng isang librarian. Siguro sana dito sa podcast na ito may makuha kang inspiration. Hindi lamang sa aming tatlo dito, kunti sa iba at iba pang librarians na established na  sa Pilipinas.So yun, enjoy mo muna. Hindi kailangan magmadali. Tapos saka mo malalaman na exciting pala itong field na ginagalawan mo.

 

Joseph: For those who are new and still a little uncertai  whether to  pursue the profession, first of all, enjoy what you’re doing now. Since you are new to the profession, observe –  observe the events, get to know your co-workers, maybe you don’t know them yet. Reach out to the nearest libraries, join, not only IFLA but also PLAI. Join different associations available in your local or regional [groups], in your councils. Then take part, that’s important.

 

You can’t just be there at the corner of the library. You are dealing with information, with that information you can also get a lot of information from others. It doesn’t end with just you working [i.e.] time in/ time out. You ought to know what  is happenning every day. And being a librarian, you must have awareness of what is happening in the society. You can’t just be a good cataloger, you can’t just be a good reference librarian. You must be a good librarian. You know what is happening outside and apply it inside. For example, you don’t even know that the other libraries are being closed. You, as a new librarian, do you have anything to say about this? You should be the one defending [our profession, the libraries]. And that should start right before you graduate. So, as a newbie and not sure if you will continue [in this career], maybe someone else just wants to sell you insurance. (No, there’s nothing wrong with that. It was done for extra money. That’s okay.) But if you’re not sure about what you’re doing, I think it’s good to discuss it with others and find out what the future holds. Maybe here in this podcast you can get some inspiration. Not only from us here, but with other librarians who are already established in the Philippines. So that’s it, enjoy it first. No need to hurry. Then, you will know that this field is exciting.

 

Reysa: Tama yan. Yun nga sabi ni Ms. Elvie, grab the opportunity. At saka yun nga, you need to be intuitive and strategic sa gagawin mo.Yung mga specifics na mga sinasabi ni Joseph, importante yun. Mag-observe ka, be aware. Seems like it’s more of being proactive rather than mag-antay lang. And yun nga, actually ang daming opportunities for those who are yung nakakaalam na. Na notice nila sa IFLA, very inclusive naman. Hindi lang focus sa isang area. So, nakaka-inspire din yan. Balik tayo sa kwento natin in the beginning na yun nga para yung field natin pag na-involve tayo sa IFLA, we get to see yung mga practices at saka even challenges ng ibang bansa. Or even yun nga, paano sila nagpa-practice as librarians. So maganda din yun na opportunity. So kahit hindi man directly maka-involve sa malaking project agad, baby steps lang. Tama. So that’s really important. Maiba ako no dahil sobrang passionate na tayo sa ating profession. Hypothetically kung hindi kayo nagtrabaho sa silid-aklatan ngayon, anong profession maliban sa librarianship ang gusto niyong subukan?

 

Reysa: That’s right. That’s what Ms. Elvie said, grab the opportunity. And besides that point being emphasized- you need to be intuitive and strategic in what you do. The specifics that Joseph says, that’s important. Observe, be aware. Seems like it’s more of being proactive rather than just waiting. And that’s right, there are actually a lot of opportunities for those who know [where to get it] and if we notice in IFLA, it’s very inclusive, they not just focus on one area [everyone is accommodate].

So, that’s also inspiring. Let’s go back to our story in the beginning, that is for our field when we got involved in IFLA, we get to see the practices and even challenges of other countries. Or even that, how do they practice as librarians. So that’s also a good opportunity. So even if you can’t directly get involved in a big project right away, take baby steps. That’s really important.

 

On a different note, as we are alreadyvery passionate about our profession; hypothetically if you did not work in the Library, what profession other than librarianship would you like to try?

 

Elvira: Childhood dream kasi eh. Pero siguro kung nabigyan ng pagkakataon noon, gusto ko sana. I would have taken up law.

 

Elvira: My childhood dream, if I was given an opportunity,. I would have taken up Law.

 

Reysa: Oh! pareho tayo.

 

Reysa: Oh! Same here.

 

Elvira: Kung yung sitwasyon papayagan yun, yun sana. Pero sabi nga na pareho rin naman ang gagawin mo ngayon. Kung abogado may mga ipinaglalaban, malamang ganun din naman bilang isang librarian na hanggang ngayon. Pero naman siyempre ilalaban pa rin natin ano ang tama, ano ang verifiable, ano ang information. So pareho din. I want to think of it that way. Pareho din.

 

Elvira: If the situation would allow it, I would have taken it (Law). But I can say somehow that we do the same thing now. If a lawyer has something to fight for, it’s probably the same as a librarian up until now. We will still fight for what is right, what is verifiable, what is information. Just the same. I want to think of it that way. Same too.

 

Reysa: And if I may add before si Joseph sumagot sa tanong na ito, relevant siya sa law kasi we deal with policies din. Naiinvolve tayo sa mga decision making. At yun nga pag librarian nakakakolaborate ka naman sa lahat ng mga professions. So yun yung maganda. Joseph?

 

Reysa: And if I may add before Joseph answers this question, this (profession) is related to  law as we also deal with policies. We get involved in decision making. And that being a librarian you can collaborate with all professions. So that’s the good thing. Joseph?

 

Joseph: Ako naman kung siguro hindi ko tinapos o natapos yung business at baka naging guro ako. I mean bata pa lang ako, gina-gather ko na yung mga kapitbahay at pinsan namin para magturo-turo ng kung anu-ano eh. So baka yun siguro yung path na nakuha, tinahak ko, ganyan.

 

Joseph: As for me, maybe I didn’t finish the business and I might have become a teacher. Since I was still young, I used to gather our neighbors and cousins to teach them something. So maybe that’s the path that I took, that’s it.

 

Elvira: Napunta ka pa rin naman doon, Sef? Guro ka rin naman, diba? 

 

Elvira: You got there (teaching) anyway, Sef? You are also a teacher, arent you? 

 

Joseph: Guro na siguro yung time na yun baka for elementary or secondary. Pero ngayon guro pa rin naman.

 

Joseph: More of a teacher in elementary or secondary. But, that’s right, I am also a teacher now.

 

Reysa: Tama, diba? Huling tanong ko na ‘to. So, maaari nyo bang ibahagi kung ano yung mga proyekto, initiative, programa na sinasalihan nyo ngayon? Be it face to face or even yung mga upcoming presentations ninyo sa Zoom or whatever?

 

Reysa: That’s right. For my last question, can you share the projects, initiatives, programs that you are currently working on?  Be it face to face or even the upcoming presentations you are involved in Zoom [virtually] or whatever?

 

Elvira: Yan yung maganda sa profession natin. Tayo, lalo sa atin, nagkakaroon talaga tayo ng pagkakataon na maimbita para magbahagi kung ano yung patuloy na pinag-aaralan natin o patuloy na sinasaliksik natin. Ako, I’m just looking forward to yung continuing work sa IFLA. Dahil member ako ng RDO-EO. And, hopefully talagang masundan pa yung mga dating ginagawa namin. Yung iba kasi kailangan pang tapusin.Like yung pagpapatuloy para sa Sustainable Development Goals, yung Library Map of the World, kasama na rin yung stories, SDG stories. So, yan, patuloy na gagawin yan. Dito naman sa atin, patuloy pa rin na na-iimbita para sa mag-conduct ng review classes o magbigay ng mga talks about various subjects, various topics. Kung kaya din lang ng oras, sumasagot pa rin tayo dyan. So, marami pa yan. Kaya lang, Zoom, hindi na masyado dahil pwede na tayo mag-face-to-face ngayon. Pero kung may mga Zoom pa din, kung misan mas okay sa akin kasi hindi ko kailang lumabas ng office o yung oras kasi lang talaga. Kung pwede lang, mas mahigit pa tayo sa 24 hours pero pare-pareho lang tayo sa 24 hours. Kaya yun, bibihira pero nagagawa pa rin naman.

 

Elvira: That’s the beauty of our profession. We, especially us, have the opportunity to be invited to share what we are constantly studying or researching. For me, I’m just looking forward to the continuing work at IFLA as a member of RDO-EO. And, hopefully we can continue  or will have a follow up on what we are doing, others need to be completed. Like the continuation for the Sustainable Development Goals, the Library Map of the World, including the stories, SDG stories. I continue to do that. I still get to be invited to conduct review classes or give talks about various subjects, various topics. If time allows, if time permits, I still accept those invitations. Zoom is not so much used [as it was duing the pandemic] because we can now face-to-face. But if there are still Zoom [virtual participation], I prefer it because I never have to leave the office. Time really [is a constraint] if it’s possible to work for more than 24 hours [I will], [but] we all have only 24 hours in a day. That’s the reason [I cannot accommodate] but I still make sure I can do it.

 

Reysa: Yeah, thanks Ms. Elvie. Joseph?

 

Joseph: O kaya talaga lagpas 24 hours kasi habang hapon yan dyan, umaga dito; so part-time muna ako magturo dyan bago ko simulan yung totoong araw ko dito. Napakahaba. Mas focus ako sa pag-aaral ko ngayon sa PhD. Although meron tayong pa konti-konti na kong naimbitahan o kailangan ko mag-submit ng papel para sa aking PhD. Yung katatapos ko lang umatend ng first joint conference ng MLA-SLA saan nag-contribute tayo ng isang papel. Pinag-aaralan ko yung knowledge practices ng mga librarians, specifically nung infodemic, nung panahon ng pandemic.

 

Ngayon din, kasalukuyan, bukod sa pwede natin i-contribute sa IFLA, nasa SLA Asian community din ako, magkakaroon kami ng mga future webinars. At ang theme namin dito ay tungkol pa rin sa mga misinformation at disinformation.

 

Halimbawa, meron bang mga misinformation or disinformation sa field ng agriculture o kaya naman sa field ng science and technology, sa banking and finance? O kaya sa health mismo, medical and health. So ganoon yung focus namin kasi special librarianship siya.So iba’t-ibang special libraries magkocontribute dito, iba’t-ibang bansa sa Asia, kung ano yung naranasan nila at paano, kung ano yung mga tips na meron sila para maiwasan yung mga false information na yun. Marami pang ibang bagay pero ‘yun nga, may kita mo naman siguro kami somewhere, mag-follow mo naman kami sa mga social media accounts namin. (‘Kala mo naman no.) So yan, ganun lang, kat-diverse yung ating ginagawa. Hindi tayo hinahinto sa focus sa gawain natin si Ma’am Elvie, University Librarian. Ang dami-dami niyang ginagawa pero meron pa rin mga ginagawa sa mga scientists, science, administration. Ganun din, hindi tayo hinihinto. Tamang-tama yung word na proactive. Hindi tayo hininto na doon lang tayo nakafocus sa isang gawain. Otherwise, mabu-bore ka lang din talaga.

 

Joseph: Perhaps, we really work more than 24 hours, it would be afternoon there and morning here. I work half time there [in the Philippines] to teach before I start my day here. It’s a very long [day for me]. I am more focused on my PhD studies now. Although I still have a few invitations or I have to submit a paper for my PhD.  I just finished attending the first joint conference of MBLA-SLA where we contributed a paper. I am studying the knowledge practices of librarians, specifically during the infodemic, during the pandemic. Also now, currently, apart from what we can contribute to IFLA, I am also in the SLA- Asia community, we will have future webinars. And our theme here is still about misinformation and disinformation. For example, is there misinformation or disinformation in the field of agriculture or in the field of science and technology, in banking and finance? Or health itself, medical and health. So that’s our focus because it’s special librarianship. Different special libraries will contribute here; different countries in Asia, what they experienced and how; what tips they have to avoid those that’s false information. There are many other things but that’s it, you might see us somewhere, follow us on our social media accounts.  So that’s it, just like that, what we do is diverse. We don’t stop or focus on our work. Ma’am Elvie, is a University Librarian she does a lot but there are still things to do. Same with Ms. Reysa. Likewise, we don’t stop. The word proactive is right. We are not confined focusing on one task. Otherwise, you’ll just get bored.

 

Reysa: So yun na, saya naman. Yun lang yung mga tanong ko. Ikinagagalakko talagang makasama kayo today.I’m really glad and I hope to see you all in Rotterdam in August. Yes, excited lang. Excited din ako. Maraming salamat Miss Elvie and Joseph. And also I’d like to thank Ray for inviting me here to join in this CPDWL podcast project. I think in closing, do you want any other last words to greet our listeners? Meron pa ba? Wala. Okay. This ends our podcast episode for today. Maraming salamat sa inyo. And maraming salamat din sa lahat nang nakinig. In my [regional] language, I think I wanted to say it in closing: madamo salamat sa pagpamati sa amon nga podcast. A pleasant day to everyone.

 

Reysa: That’s it, I really enjoyed this. Those are all my questions. I’m really glad to be with both of you today and I hope to see you in Rotterdam in August. Yes, I’m so excited. Thank you very much Ms Elvie and Joseph. And also I’d like to thank Ray for inviting me here to join in this CPDWL podcast project. I think in closing, do you want any other last words to greet our listeners? Is there anything more? Nothing. Ok. This ends our podcast episode for today. Thank you very much to you (Joseph and Elvira)  And thank you very much to all the listeners. In my [regional] language, I think I wanted to say in closing: thank you very much for listening to our podcast. A pleasant day to everyone.

 

Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our newest episode (season 4) of the CPDWL Podcast Project where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.

Our guest host for this episode is Yujin Hong, Kyung Hee University, South Korea  Our guest is Peter Bae, Assistant University Librarian for Scholarly Collection Access, Fulfillment & Resource Sharing at Princeton University Library, USA.

See here for the podcast episode.

Peter Bae is the Assistant University Librarian for Scholarly Collection Access, Fulfillment & Resource Sharing at Princeton University Library and a former member of IFLA Document Delivery and Resource Sharing Section Standing Committee.

Yujin Hong is a librarian at Kyung Hee University, Seoul, South Korea.

 

Transcript & Translations in Korean and in English:

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Hello and welcome to the IFLA CPDWL

안녕하세요, IFLA CPDWL

 

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Continuing Professional Development and Workplace Learning Sessions Podcast Project.

지속적인 전문성 개발 및 직장 학습 세션 팟캐스트 프로젝트에 오신 것을 환영합니다.

 

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Today, I would like to have time to talk with library and information

오늘 이 시간에는 사서의 전문성 개발을 지원하고 

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experts who support and participate

참여하는 도서관 및 정보

 

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in the professional development of librarians.

전문가들과 이야기를 나눠 보는 시간을 가지려고 하는데요.

 

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Hello, let me introduce myself first.

안녕하세요 제 소개를 먼저 드리겠습니다.

 

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My name is Yujin Hong. I am the guest host of the podcast today

저는 홍유진이라고 합니다. 오늘 팟캐스트 게스트 호스트입니다

 

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I am working as a librarian at Kyung

대한민국 서울에 소재하는

 

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Hee University in Seoul, South Korea.

경희대학교에서 사서로 근무하고 있습니다

 

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Today’s podcast guest is Seungil Bae,

오늘 팟캐스트 게스트는 미국 프린스턴 대학 도서관에

 

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a librarian at the Princeton University Library in the United States.

배승일 선생님이십니다.

 

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Seungil Bae is responsible for scholarly collections access, fulfillment and resource sharing.

배승일 선생님께서는 학술 컬렉션 접근

 

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He is a member of the former member of Standing Committee of the IFLA

풀필먼트 및 자원 공유를 담당하고 계시고요

 

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Document Delivery and Resource Sharing Section

IFLA 원문복사 및 자원 공유섹션 전 상임 위원회의 회원이자

 

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and a founding member of the RSCVD initiative organized by the committee.

위원회에서 조직한 RSCVD 이니셔티브의 창립 멤버이십니다. 

 

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Hong: Hello Mr. Bae Seungil

Bae: Yes hello nice to meet you

배승일 선생님 안녕하세요 

네 안녕하십니까 반갑습니다 

 

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It’s really nice to talk about libraries

이렇게 한국 말로

 

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in Korean like this.

이렇게 한글로.

 

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I’ve prepared the questions for today.

도서관에 대해서 얘기하게 되어서 정말 좋습니다 

 

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Let me ask you a question.

그러면 저희가 오늘 질문을 준비를 했거든요 

 

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This is the first question.

질문을 드리도록 하겠습니다. 첫 번째 질문인데요 

 

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If you could express yourself in one word,

선생님께서 선생님 자신에 대해서 한 단어로

 

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what word would you use?

만약에 표현을 하신다면 어떤 단어로 표현하시고 싶으실까요?

 

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It’s quite difficult. It’s not easy to express it in one word,

상당히 어렵더라고요 한단어로 표한한다는 것이 쉽지는 않은데

 

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but if I can express it,

표현을 한다면은 저는 호기심

 

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I’d like to talk as a curious person.

많은 사람으로 이야기를 하고 싶습니다

 

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I was curious when I was younger, but as I get older

어렸을 때도 호기심이 많았었지만

 

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I seem to be more and more curious.

나이가 들면서 점점 더 호기심이 많아지는 것 같아요

 

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Also, in fact, I work as a librarian,

그리고 또 사실은 사서로서 일을 하는데

 

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and there are always changes, just like our library industry.

우리 도서관 업계가 그렇지만 늘 변화가 있지 않습니까

 

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So, it seems that an appropriate level of curiosity is definitely necessary.

그래서 적절한 수준의 호기심은 또 꼭 필요한 것 같고요

 

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As a result, I look for new things with interest,

그러다보니 관심을 가지고 새로운 것들을 찾아 보고

 

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study them, and go one step further,

그것들에 대해서 공부하고 또 한 단계 더 나아가고

 

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and in that sense, I would like to express myself as a person

그런 의미에서도 그렇고 호기심이 많은 사람이라고 표현하고 싶습니다

 

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with a lot of curiosity.

많은 호기심을 가지고.

 

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I think it’s more relevant in today’s fast-changing times.

요즘같이 급변하는 시대에 더 와닿는 말씀이신 것 같습니다

 

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That’s right, even in the US,

그렇죠 미국에도 보면은 사서들이 대부분 호기심

 

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most librarians

이 참 많아요 궁금해서 이것도 찾아 보고

 

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are very curious.

매우 궁금하다.

 

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Bae: After that, you’ll build up your skills again.

Hong: yes, thanks for the answer

배승일: 저것도 찾아보고 그러다 보면 또 실력이 쌓이는 거죠

홍유진: 네, 답변 감사합니다.

 

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I’ll ask you the second question

두 번째 질문 드릴게요 

 

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I would like to know

선생님께서 사서가 

 

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what made you decide to become a librarian.

되시기를 결정한 계기를 좀 알고 싶은데요 

 

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How did you start?

어떻게 시작하셨을까요

 

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When I was in Korea,

한국에 있을 때 

 

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I operated a small library run by the department

대학원 생활을 하면서 

 

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while studying in graduate school.

그 학과에서 운영하는 작은도서관을 운영을 했었습니다 

 

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I didn’t majored in a library science, but I majored in history in Korea.

도서관학과는 아니었지만 제가 한국에서 역사를 전공했었거든요 

 

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So, I did in charge of the library in the Department of History,

그래서 사학과에 있는 도서관을 제가 이제 담당을 하고 

 

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since I was a graduate student in the Department of History, 

사학과 대학원생 이니까 선생님들이

 

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People thought I would be able to work in the library.

뭐 대학원생이면 충분히 도서관 일 할 수 있을 것이다 

 

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I guess I was entrusted with doing that.

그렇게 하고 

 

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I did things like the so-called collection development

흔히 말하는 장서개발 이라던가 또 학과 도서관에서 여러가지 

 

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and various lending tasks in the department library,

대출업무 이런 것들을 했었고요

 

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but I didn’t intend to do that as my career.

근데 그걸 제 경력으로 할 생각은 없었습니다 

 

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Then, I came to the United States to study and studied for a doctoral course in history,

그러다가 이제 미국에 유학을 와서 역사학 박사과정으로 유학을 와가지고

 

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and I started working as a student assistant in the library from the first semester.

첫 학기부터 도서관에서 학생 조교로 일을 시작했었거든요

 

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What I started doing was doing interlibrary loan work

제가 시작했던 일이 한국에서 말하는 상호 대차 일을 했었습니다

 

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Students normally do not assigned  such a big task,

학생들 같으면 그렇게 큰 업무를 주지는 읺는데

 

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but they put me that task since I have such an experience in Korea

어떻게 한국에서 그런 경험이 있다고

 

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So I don’t know if it was like that, but at that time,

그래서 아마 그랬는지 모르겠지만

 

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I received an interlibrary loan request right away,

그때 이제 바로 상호대차 신청을 받아서

 

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and I was looking for and sending books to the library,

소장도서관을 찾고 보내고 하는데

 

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and I did those things as a student.

그런일들을 제가 학생으로서 일을 했습니다.

 

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Then I found it fun

그러다 보니까 그 일이 재미가 있더라고요

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It’s fun and, above all,

재미도 있고 무엇보다도

 

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it’s so nice

다른 사람들에게 도움을 줄 수 있다는 게

 

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to be able to help others.

참 뭐랄까

 

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It was a good feeling,

기분도 좋은 일이지만

 

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but it made me feel proud.

좀 뿌듯해지는 그런 마음이 들었어요

 

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Then, by chance, I was a student assistant,

그러다가 우연한 기회에 이제 그 학생 조교였다가

 

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and then I was lucky enough to be hired by the library

운이 좋게 정식

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as a full-time professional employee.

풀타임 전문 직원으로 도서관에 고용이 됐었죠

 

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I didn’t have a LIS degree,

도서관 사서 학위는 없었지만

 

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but I did it in that profession

그런 직종에서 그 일을 하고

 

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and still came here to get my PhD.

그러면서 여전히 여기 박사 학위를 받으러 왔으니까

 

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Once I did my degree full-time,

일단 학위과정을 풀타임으로 들으면서

 

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I did another full-time job in the library,

도서관에서 또 풀타임 일을 하고

 

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and spent a few hectic years, more and more

정신없이 몇 년을 보냈는데

 

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I do the library work,

점점 더 도서관 일이,

 

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especially with my help,

특히 제가 도움을 줌으로서

 

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allowed others to keep their research going and

다른 사람들이 연구를 계속 진행해 나가고

 

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users thanked me

또 고맙다고 인사하고

 

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As I listened to it, I got paid for it,

고맙다는 인사를 들으면서 그것 때문에 월급도 받고

 

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and I thought that this would be a decent job.

뭐 이 정도면 괜찮은 직장이 아닌가 생각이 들었었어요

 

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So that continued and I have already lived

그래서 계속 그게 이어진게 

 

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in the United States for 23 years,

벌써 미국에서 산지 23년이니까

 

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so during the 23 years

23년 동안

 

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I moved from the State University of New York (SUNY) at Albany,

이제 처음 일을 시작했던 뉴욕주립대학교(SUNY)올버니(Albany)에서

 

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where I first started, to Columbia University,

콜롬비아 대학으로 옮기고

 

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and now I am working at Princeton.

이제 프린스턴에서까지 일을 하게 되었죠

 

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I became a librarian because of the smiles

뭐 달리 계기라고 하면

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that our users show me when they get the information they need.

그 우리 이용자들이 필요한 자료를 얻었을 때 저한테 보여 주는 그 미소때문에

사서가 되었습니다.

 

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I didn’t know that you majored in history when you were an undergraduate student.

네, 선생님께서 학부 때 사학을 전공 하신 건 전 잘 몰랐었거든요. 

 

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It was a good to learn more about your background as a librarian.

선생님의 사서가 되신 배경에 대해서 자세히 알 수 있었던 좋은 시간이었습니다.

 

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In fact, there are many friends in the United States

어떻게 보면은 미국에도 사실은 

 

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who majored in history and received a master’s degree in library science.

역사학을 전공하고 도서관학과 석사를 온 친구들이 참 많습니다

 

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What I was doing now is interloan work,

제가 하던 일이 이제 상호대차 일이 그렇지만

 

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but there are many times when the citation bibliographic information

이용자들이 보내 준 citation 서지정보가 

 

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sent by users is not accurate.

정확하지 않을 때도 많거든요

 

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The work of solving them

그걸 이제 하나 하나

 

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one by one now and searching for the library

풀어서 필요한 도서관을 찾는 소장하고 있는 도서관을

 

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to find the library

찾아나가고 하는 것들이

 

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you need is, in a way,

어떻게 보면

 

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similar to the work that historians do

그 역사학자들이 원 사료를 찾고 하는 그런 작업하고

 

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to find original historical materials.

비슷더라고요

 

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So I think I enjoyed doing more.

그래서 더 하는 일을 즐겼던 것 같습니다

 

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For the first few years,

처음 몇 년간은 이게 뭐

 

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I didn’t know what I was doing is

내가 일을 하는 건지

 

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enjoying my hobby something.

취미를 즐기는지 모를 정도 였었어요.

 

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So, I’ll ask you the third question.

그럼 세번째 질문 드리겠습니다. 

 

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It is quite tricy to translate into Korean, so I’ll just use the world “Global Librarianship”.

한국말로 번역하기가 저도 애매해서 그냥 글로벌 라이브러리언십으로 제가 여쭤볼게요

 

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I’m curious about what

글로벌 라이브러리언십은

 

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the “Global Librarianship” means to you.

선생님께 어떤 의미로 다가오시는지 궁금하거든요

 

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I would like to ask if that vision has changed over the years

수년에 걸쳐서 그 비전이 바뀌었는지 여쭤보고 싶습니다

 

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The “Global Librarianship” I think is, in a sense,

제가 생각하는 글로벌 라이브러리언십은

 

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very closely related to interlibrary loans,

어떤 의미에서는 제가 처음 일을 시작했던 상호대차하고

 

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where I first started working.

상당히 밀접한 연관이 되는데요

 

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Many of the materials that users want

이용자들이 원하는 자료를 중에는

 

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cannot be found only in libraries

미국에 있는 도서관으로만

 

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in the United States.

해결이 안되는 경우가 많습니다

 

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So, from the beginning, when I first started working,

그래서 처음 일을 시작할 때부터

 

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I sent requests for materials to large

외국에 있는 큰 유럽에 있는 큰 국립 도서관 이라든가

 

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national libraries in Europe

진짜 아주 작은 나라의 작은도서관들에까지 필요하면 자료 신청을 보내고

 

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or small libraries in really

 

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small countries, and interacted with them.

그 친구들하고 같이  교류를 하면서 저에게는

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It was a “Global Librarianship”.

당연히 그 실제 업무를 하는데 필요한게 바로 글로벌 라이브러리언십이었죠.

 

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And now, while doing IFLA’s activities,

그러면서 이제 IFLA의 활동을 하고 이러면서

 

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librarians working in different countries

서로 다른 배경에서

 

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from different backgrounds

다른 나라에서

 

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exchange opinions and work together,

일하고 있는 사서들이 의견을 교환을 하고 같이 일을 함으로써

 

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so they can learn a lot of things

상호 그니까 양쪽 모두의 도움이 된 여러가지를 배울 수가 있고요

 

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that are helpful to both sides.

 

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So, at first, I thought of this

그래서 저는 처음 시작은 이제 이것을 아주 제

 

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as something very helpful in my daily work,

일상 업무에 도움이 되는 그런 일로 생각을 하다가

 

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but it gradually became an opportunity to learn.

점점 이제 배우는 기회가 되었고요

 

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And one more interesting thing is

그리고 또 한가지 더 재밌는 일은 다들 그 어떻게 보면

 

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that everyone is in such a different environment

이런 다른 환경에 있을 하기 때문에 처리하는 업무방식도

 

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in a way,

조금씩 다르고

 

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so the way

또 각국의 뭐

 

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they handle business is slightly different,

저작권법이리던지

 

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and the way they work is different

이런 것들은 따르다보면 일을 하는 방식은 다르지만

 

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like copyright laws in each country,

 

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but in the end, a librarian is a librarian.

결국 도서관 사서는 사서거든요

 

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Wherever you are, I think so, so in the end,

어느 나라에 있든지 간에 저는 그렇게 생각을 합니다, 

 

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librarians are all the same

결국엔 그 이용자들 위해

 

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in terms of servicing for the users

이용자들을 위해서 서비스한다는 면에서는

 

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and for the users,

사서들은 다 똑같은 거니까

 

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so there are things in common in that respect.

그런 면에서는 서로 통하는 게 있고

 

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Recently, as I mentioned earlier,

최근에는 이제 앞에 잠깐 얘기를 하셨는데

 

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as I started the RSCVD initiative,

RSCVD 이니셔티브를 시작하면서

 

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I was not simply serving the users in my own library,

단순히 자기 도서관에 있는 이용자들에게만 봉사를 하는 것이 아니라

 

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but I was wondering if there is an opportunity to work with

세계 여러 곳에 있는 자료가 

 

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people who need information from

그러니까 정보가 필요한 이들에게

 

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in various parts of the world.

일을 할 수 있는 그런 기회가 있지 않나해서

 

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Recently now, in fact, three or four days ago in The Hague, IFLA has its headquarters in The Hague.

최근 이제 사실은 사나흘 전에 헤이그에서 헤이그에 IFLA 본부가 있죠.

 

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There was a conference on interlibrary loans at the IFL:A Headquarters, and

IFL:A 본부에서 상호대차 관련 컨퍼런스가 있었는데 거기에 제가 온라인으로

 

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as I participated online,

참가를 하면서 이제 그것과 관련해서 

 

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I now learned about the interlibrary

도서관들의 상호대차하고

 

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loans of libraries and resource sharing in relation to it.

리소스 쉐어링이라고 자료공유를 이제 어떤 위기상황이라던가

 

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Can we mutually borrow or exchange with each other?

국가간에 분쟁이 있는 지역에서 어떻게 도서관들이 서로 상호대차 라든가 교류를 할 수 있을까

 

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For example, after the war between Ukraine and Russia started last year

예를 들면 지난해 우크라이나와 러시아 전쟁이 시작이 되고

 

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and the war started right away in the library in Ukraine,

우크라이나에 있는 도서관에서 당장 전쟁이 시작된 이후에는 별 것이 없었지만

 

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there was nothing special,

 

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but after that, it stabilized little by little, looking for necessary materials

그 이후에 조금씩 안정이 되면서 필요한 자료를 찾고

 

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and providing materials through the RSCVD initiative I started.

제가 시작했던 RSCVD 이니셔티브를 통해서 자료를 제공해 주고도 있거든요

 

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In a way, the library does not simply serve the users of the library,

어떻게 보면 도서관이 단순히 그냥 자관에 있는 이용자들만을 위해 봉사하는 게 아니라

 

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I think I can do a little bigger thing, and in a way,

조금 더 큰일을 할 수 있고 어떻게 보면

 

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I can do things for the world, targeting the whole world.

전세계를 대상으로 세계를 위해 일을 할 수 있지 않는가

 

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That’s how I think.

그렇게 생각이 점점 바뀌어 지고 있는 것 같습니다

 

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I also worked on interlibrary loan/DDS,

저도 상호대차 원문복사 업무를 하긴 했었는데

 

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but I didn’t think that

이렇게 범위가 커질 수 있다는

 

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the range could be this large.

것을 생각하지 못했던 것 같아요

 

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Not even then. After hearing what you said,

그떄는 미처. 선생님 말씀 들어보니까

 

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I think that there must be a way to interact with librarians

다양한 방식으로 또 다양한

 

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from various institutions and countries in various ways.

기관과 다양한 국가의 사서들과 교류할 수 있는 방법이 있겠다라는 생각이 드네요

 

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In the end, the librarians all try to help each other,

결국 사서들이 다들 조금씩 방식은 다르지만

 

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albeit in slightly different ways.

서로 도울려고 하고요

 

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Going back to the question I asked earlier,

제가 아까 앞에서 한 질문으로 같이 잠시 돌아가면

 

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the reason I really like to work in the library

제가 도서관에서 정말 일하기를 좋아하는 이유가

 

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is that there is no competition within the library

다른 일반 회사 라든가 다른 직장과 달리

 

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unlike other companies or other workplaces.

도서관 내에서는 경쟁이 없습니다.

 

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Employees try to help each other,

직원들이 서로 도와주려고 하고

 

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at least from my experience.

적어도 제가 경험한 바로는 그렇습니다

 

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And I always work with librarians abroad or in other libraries,

그리고 해외나 다른 도서관에 있는 사서들과 늘 같이 일을 하고

 

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and I try to do something by working together.

같이 힘을 모아서 뭘 해 나가려고 하니까요

 

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In that respect, the library is good now.

그런 면에서 이제 도서관이 좋은 거죠

 

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Bae: I like my job as a librarian.

Hong: you’re right.

배승일: 사서라는 직업도 좋고.

홍유진: 맞습니다

 

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I agree. Then, the story of IFLA keeps coming up.

동의합니다. 그러면 선생님 그 IFLA 얘기가 계속 나와서 그런데요

 

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By the way, let me ask you a question.

질문 한번 드려 보겠습니다

 

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I’m curious about how you first

어떻게 IFLA에 처음 참여하게 되셨는지가

 

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became involved in IFLA.

궁금하거든요

 

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The Director attended the IFLA

IFLA에 대해서 처음 얘기를 들은 건

 

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General Assembly

제가 2006년인가 2007년 무렵에 Albany에서 일을 할 때인데

 

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held in IFLA Seoul.

그때 관장님이 IFLA 서울에서 열린 IFLA 총회에 참석을 하셨어요

 

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And now, when they came back,

그리고 이제 서울에서 대접

 

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they told me about how they were treated well in Seoul.

잘 받은 얘기를 돌아와서 저한테 해주시더라고요.

 

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I was very proud.

아주 가슴이 뿌듯해졌었는데요.

 

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It was probably in 2011 when I started working for IFLA in earnest.

제가 본격적으로 IFLA의 활동을 하기 시작한 건 아마 2011년 그 정도 될 것 같습니다.

 

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It looks like it will be around 2010.

 

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A biennial conference held by the IFLA Interloan Standing Committee

미국에서 IFLA 상호대차 상임위원회에서 했던 2년마다 한 번씩 하는 컨퍼런스가 시카고에서 열렸었어요

 

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was held in Chicago.

시카고에 있었다.

 

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I was able to go to that conference,

그 컨퍼런스에 가서 이제 발표하는 것들을 듣고 거기서

 

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listen to the presentations, and make many friends there.

여러 친구들을 많이 사귈 수가 있었거든요

 

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The friends I met then still work with,

그때 만났던 친구들이 아직까지 같이 일을 하고 있는데

 

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but there was one incident in particular

특히 그 컨퍼런스에서 아주 기억이

 

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that I remember very much from that conference that made me think about IFLA.

IFLA에 관한 제 생각을 하게 해 준 사건이 하나 있었습니다

 

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Many librarians from all over the world

컨퍼런스에 이제 세계 각국에서 사서들이 다 많이 모였는데

 

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have gathered at the conference, and among them,

특히 그 중에서

 

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there is now a country called Zimbabwe

이제 아프리카에 있는 짐바브웨라는 나라가 있어요

 

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in Africa.

남아프리카공화국

 

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I met a librarian from Zimbabwe,

북쪽에 있는 짐바브웨라는 나라에서 온 사서를 만났었습니다

 

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a country north of South Africa.

남아프리카공화국 북쪽에 있는 나라.

 

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We exchanged business cards,

명함 교환하고

 

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greeted each other,

서로 인사하고

 

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talked about this and that, and parted

이제 이런저런 얘기를 쭉 나누고 헤어졌었는데

 

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Actually, it was the first time I met someone

사실 짐바브웨라는 나라에서 온 사람 만난 것도 처음이었고

 

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from a country called Zimbabwe.

 

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Upon returning to my work, the professor

그 컨퍼런스를 마치고 학교에 돌아오니까 교수님이 

 

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requested for a doctoral dissertation,

박사논문을 신청하는데

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which was published at a university

짐바브웨에 있는 대학에서 발표가 된 박사논문을 신청을 하셨어요

 

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in Zimbabwe.

짐바브웨에서.

 

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Normally, I would be wondering

보통 때 같으면 짐바브웨 같은데서 있는

 

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how to get a thesis in Zimbabwe,

논문을 어떻게 구하나하고 헤매고 있을 텐데

 

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but I just remembered the friend I met last week,

바로 그냥 지난주에 만났던 그 친구가 떠올라서 그 친구한테

 

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so I emailed him.

이메일을 했죠

 

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In this situation, I asked if I could get it,

이런이런 상황인데 혹시 구할 수 있겠느냐 하니까 이 친구가

 

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so this friend again connected to the library of the university

또 자기가 일하고 있는 도서관은 아니지마는

 

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where the doctoral dissertation was published,

그 박사학위논문이 출판된 대학의 도서관에 연결을 해서 결국은

 

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although it is not the library

비록 도서관은 아니지만.

 

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he is working in, and eventually received the thesis in 2-3 days. I could

2-3일만에 논문을 학위논문을 받아볼 수가 있었어요

 

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If it wasn’t for the kind of relationship I met at IFLA,

IFLA에서 만난 그런 인연이 아니었으면 전혀 이루어질 수 없는 아예

 

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it was something I had to give up on, something that could not have happened at all.

포기해야 될 일이었었죠

 

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When I think about it while doing that, IFLA has this kind of power.

그렇게 하면서 생각하니까 IFLA라는 게 이런 힘이 있구나

 

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In particular, from the perspective of the person in charge of the practice,

특히 실무를 맡은 담당자

 

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I wanted to become a really valuable resource,

입장에서는 정말 귀중한 자원이 되겠다 싶어서 더 활동을 하기 시작했고

 

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so I started to do more activities,

더 활동을 하기 시작했고

 

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so I have been attending as a standing member of the standing committee since 2013.

그래서 2013년부터 이제 상임위원회 상임위원으로 참석을 했었습니다

 

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Finally, the library actively supported it again.

마침 도서관에서 또 지원을 적극적으로 해주셨고요

 

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Because the librart director had a lot of interest in IFLA,

관장님이 IFLA에 대해서 관심을 많이 가지셨던 분이었기 때문에

 

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that’s how I attended the first IFLA congress

그렇게 해서 처음 싱가포르에서 열린 IFLA 대회 참석을 하고

 

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held in Singapore and continued that way.

그렇게 쭉 이어오게 된 거죠

 

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Your first experience was very meaningful.

첫 경험이 굉장히 의미가 있으셨네요

 

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So now, in fact, even in the US,

그래서 이제 그렇게 만든 인연들을

 

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I am not alone in writing the relationships I have created,

사실은 미국에서도 제가 저 혼자만 쓰는 게 아니고

 

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and the relationships I have created are also shared.

제가 만든 인연들도 공유를 하거든요

 

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Now, among the librarians who are

지금 사서들 사이에서

 

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in charge of inter library loans in the US,

이제 미국에서도 Inter library loan(상호대차)담당하고 있는 사서들 사이에서는

 

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they can contact me if they need it

제가 이제 해외 각국의 마당발로

 

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because I now have a network overseas.

네트워크가 있으니까 필요하면 저한테 연락을 하게 돼요

 

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I need this kind of data from Brazil.

브라질에서 이런 자료가 필요한데

 

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Does anyone know people in Brazil know? And there is!

혹시 브라질 누가 아는 사람이 있느냐? 있거든요

 

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So, I tried this and that,

그래서 이리저리 해보니까

 

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and I made people who can connect with people all over the world.

세계 각국에 왠만하면 다 연결이 될만한 사람들을 만들었어죠

 

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for the past 10 years. I guess that’s a great fortune

지난 10년간. 그게 큰 재산인 것 같습니다

 

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That’s right, do you really have all continents?

그러네요, 정말 대륙별로 다 있으시겠어요

 

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Yes it is

예 그렇죠

 

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Then, while talking about IFLA, I would like to hear more about IFLA.

그러면 IFLA 얘기 나온 김에 IFLA 얘기를 좀 더 들어 보고 싶은데요

 

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You also told me about a memorable moment related to IFLA,

선생님께서 IFLA 관련해서 기억에 남는 순간

 

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but the librarian from Zimbabwe also talked about it,

짐바브웨 사서분도 얘기해 주셨지만

 

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but if you have any other experiences, please share.

혹시나 다른 경험이 있으셨으면 공유 부탁드리겠습니다

 

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I wonder if you had any social gatherings after attending WLIC sessions or meetings?

WLIC 세션이나 회의 또는 참석하고 나서 사교모임도 혹시 있으셨는지도 궁금하고요

 

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Yes. If you go to the IFLA World Library Information Congress,

그렇죠. IFLA World Library Information Congress에 가면은 공식

 

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one of the official events is Cultural Night,

행사 중에 하나가 Cultural Night이라고 해서 

 

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so the host country now introduces 10 traditional foods

주최 국가에서 이제 열 가지 전통 음식도 소개하고

 

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and introduces traditional culture.

전통 문화를 소개하는 행사들이 있습니다

 

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Maybe in Korea, in 2006 or 2007,

아마 한국에서도 지난 2006년인가 2007년에 할 때

 

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they did very well, and the librarians

엄청나게 잘 해가지고

 

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who went there are still talking about it.

그때 갔던 사서들이 아직까지도 그 얘기를 하거든요

 

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in the case of Singapore,

처음 갔던 싱가포르 같은 경우도 싱가포르

 

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which I had attended for the first time,

처음 참석했던 곳,

 

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there was an event like that in the evening

저녁에 그런 행사가 있었어요

 

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on the beach at Sentosa Island, Singapore.

그 앞에 있는 센토사 아일랜드에서 이제 해변가에서 저녁에 그런 행사가 있었어요

 

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It’s fun. There are many fun things to do,

재밌는 일이죠. 재밌는 일이 많은데

 

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but the most memorable thing for me was probably a congress held in Lyon, France,

사실은 저한테 제일 기억에 남는 일은 그게 아마 프랑스 리옹에서 열렸던 대회였는데

 

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where I met librarians from North Korea.

북한에서 오신 사서들을 만났었어요

 

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I didn’t know, but now another friend

저는 몰랐는데 이제 그 옆에 있던 다른 친구가

 

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next to me is a librarian here from North Korea

여기 북한에서 온 사서들인데 만나 보라고 해서

 

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and asked me to meet him,

그리고 만나자고 했다,

 

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so we sat down together at the table

이제 같이 테이블에 앉아서

 

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and talked like this while drinking coffee.

이렇게 커피를 나누면서 얘기를 했었거든요

 

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This is the person who is sitting

이렇게 김일성 배지를 달고 앉아 계시는 분인데

 

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wearing the Kim Il-sung badge.

김일성 휘장을 달고 있다.

 

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Was it the library

그 인민대학습당 도서관 이었나

 

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of the Great

그래서 거기서 이제 오신 분들 하고

 

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People’s Study Hall?

얘기를 하고 사실은

 

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I probably don’t know how it goes.

북한에서 온 분들은 처음 만났었으니까요.  아마 모르겠습니다 어떻게 되는지

 

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Legally, I know there’s no big problem with such meetings,

법적으로는 그런 만남은 큰 문제는 없는 걸로 알고 있는데

 

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but I talked with them in the library,

그 분들하고 도서관에서 얘기를 하고

 

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and then I met people from North Korea

그리고 나서 몇 번 이제 폴란드에서 했을 때도

 

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a few times when I was in Poland, and after that,

북한에서 오신 분들을 만났었고

 

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I met people from North Korea once again in Malaysia.

그 이후에 말레이시아에서도 한번 이제 제가 또 알고

 

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A North Korean librarian I knew and met at the time came,

그때 만났던 북한 사서분이 오셨길래

 

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so I went back and forth

한국에서 오신 사서 선생님들과 연결을 하려고 제가 몇번 왔다

 

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a few times to connect with the librarians from South Korea.

갔다 하기도 했었는데

 

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One of them is memorable for the person

그분들 중에 한 분이 기억에 남는 게 북한 평양 중앙에

 

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who came from the science library

이제 그 섬에 있는 과학도서관

 

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located on the island in the center of Pyongyang, North Korea.

그런데서 오신 분 얘기가 도서관 안에

 

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The library is not just a library,

단순히 도서관만 있는 게 아니라

 

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but also a hotel, restaurant

북한의 여러 지방에서 온

 

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where scholars from various regions of North Korea can stay.

학자들이 숙박을 할 수 있는 호텔

 

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It is said that everything is included in the library

식당 이런 것까지 도서관에 다 포함되어 도서관 건물 안에 다 있다고 그러더라고요

 

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and is in the library building.

 

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In a way, I thought

어떻게 보면

 

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that the library itself is a facility

도서관이라는 시설 자체가 학자들이 거기서 먹고

 

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where scholars can study

자면서 공부까지 할 수 있는 그런

 

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while eating and sleeping there.

시설이구나 싶은게

 

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Of course, I thought that

도서관에 관한 생각은 물론

 

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although the systems of South and North

어쨌든 남한 북한 국가가 체제는 다르지만

 

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Korea are different,

도서관은 도서관에 관한 생각들은

 

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the thoughts about libraries are similar.

비슷한 게 아닌가 하는 생각도 했었구요

 

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After that, I haven’t seen the other people,

그 이후에는 다른분들은 뵙지를 못 했는데

 

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but if I can see them at another IFLA congress next time,

아마 다음에 또 다른 IFLA 대회에서 볼 수 있다면

 

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00:18:23,140 –> 00:18:29,020

they’re the people I want to meet and talk with again.

한번 꼭 또 만나서 얘기를 해보고 싶은 분들입니다.

 

315

00:18:29,020 –> 00:18:33,480

Hong: You had a very unforgettable experience.

Bae: Yes

홍유진: 굉장히  잊지 못할 그런 경험을 하셨네요

배승일: 그렇죠

 

316

00:18:33,480 –> 00:18:35,190

If you don’t do that, it’s really

그렇게 하지 않으면 정말

 

317

00:18:35,190 –> 00:18:36,710

not easy to see North Koreans in everyday life

저희 같은 평범한 사람으로

 

318

00:18:36,710 –> 00:18:41,050

Hong: as ordinary people like us.

Bae: Yes

홍유진: 북한사람을 일상에서 보기는 쉽지가 않잖아요

배승일: 그렇죠

 

319

00:18:41,050 –> 00:18:43,320

Also, to be honest, when I first met them in

그리고 또 사실은 저도 처음 뵀을 때

 

320

00:18:43,320 –> 00:18:47,760

Lyon, France, in fact,

프랑스 리옹에서 뵀을 때는 사실은 그 분들을 그 전에

 

321

00:18:47,760 –> 00:18:51,320

I saw them like this while passing by,

이제 지나가면서 이렇게 봤는데

 

322

00:18:51,320 –> 00:18:54,020

and I have that feeling.

그런 느낌있죠. 

 

323

00:18:54,020 –> 00:18:56,780

If there is someone I don’t know,

모르는 사람 있으면

 

324

00:18:56,780 –> 00:18:58,080

Koreans have the feeling that even if they

한국 사람들은 외국에 가서 이렇게 만나더라도

 

325

00:18:58,080 –> 00:19:01,460

go abroad and meet like this, they must be Korean.

한국 사람 일꺼야 하는 느낌이 있고요

 

326

00:19:01,460 –> 00:19:03,200

Seeing as someone from North Korea,

북한에서 오신 분이다 보니까

 

327

00:19:03,200 –> 00:19:07,400

I could feel that kind of feeling.

어떤 그런 느낌이 그냥 와닿더라구요

 

328

00:19:07,400 –> 00:19:11,260

I came close to you,

와닿다가 이제 직접 만나 뵙고 얘기를 나누고

 

329

00:19:11,260 –> 00:19:12,080

and now I met and talked to you in person, so now,

그래서 이제 근데

 

330

00:19:12,080 –> 00:19:14,990

but actually, I wanted to talk to them a little more,

그 분들하고 사실은 좀 더 얘기를 좀 나누고 싶었는데

 

331

00:19:14,990 –> 00:19:16,840

but they also had their own situations,

또 그분들은 그분들대로의 또 상황이 있으니까 

 

332

00:19:16,840 –> 00:19:19,840

so they moved separately, but anyway,

따로 움직이시고 그랬었는데 어쨌든 그렇습니다

 

333

00:19:19,840 –> 00:19:24,320

that’s how it was, working as a librarian

도서관 사서로서 일하면서

 

334

00:19:24,320 –> 00:19:29,250

There aren’t many opportunities to exprience that

그런 경험을 할 기회는 많지 않지요

 

335

00:19:29,250 –> 00:19:31,930

Listening to it, I hope that

들어보니까 저도 언젠가 한 번은

 

336

00:19:31,930 –> 00:19:37,490

I will have the opportunity to go to IFLA at least once.

꼭 IFLA에 갈 수 있는 기회가 있었으면 좋겠네요. 

 

337

00:19:37,490 –> 00:19:38,640

I don’t know when it will be possible,

언제가 될 수 있을지 모르겠습니다만

 

338

00:19:38,640 –> 00:19:40,260

but try it once, please think about it

한번 해보십쇼 꼭 한번 생각을 해보십쇼

 

339

00:19:40,260 –> 00:19:45,310

Especially since IFLA is actually not easy to attend.

특히 IFLA가 사실은 참석하는 게 쉽지는 않거든요

 

340

00:19:45,310 –> 00:19:46,440

You have to travel,

여행을 해야 되고

 

341

00:19:46,440 –> 00:19:48,160

and registration fees

또 뭐 등록비라던가

 

342

00:19:48,160 –> 00:19:53,060

and things like that are quite expensive.

이런 것들이 상당히 좀 비싸죠

 

343

00:19:53,060 –> 00:19:55,540

Well, there are also various grants,

뭐 또 여러가지 grant도 있고

 

344

00:19:55,540 –> 00:19:59,200

and since Korea has recently become an advanced country,

한국은 최근에 이제 이미 선진국으로 되어 있기 때문에

 

345

00:19:59,200 –> 00:20:01,170

it probably won’t be easy to get a grant.

아마 grant를 받기는 쉽지는 않을 겁니다

 

346

00:20:01,170 –> 00:20:02,970

However, IFLA recruits

하지만은 IFLA에서

 

347

00:20:02,970 –> 00:20:04,140

volunteers every year,

매년 할 때마다 자원봉사자를 모집을 하는데

 

348

00:20:04,140 –> 00:20:05,800

and if you are selected as a volunteer,

자원봉사자로 선택이 되면은 등록비라던가

 

349

00:20:05,800 –> 00:20:08,620

registration fees and other things

이런 것들이 좀 면제가 되고요

 

350

00:20:08,620 –> 00:20:11,710

are exempted,

좀 저렴한 숙소 같은 것도 제공을 받을 수 있으니까

 

351

00:20:11,710 –> 00:20:14,830

and you can get cheaper accommodations.

그런 것도 한번 노려보시고

 

352

00:20:14,830 –> 00:20:16,310

I think it would be good to try something like that

그런 것도 한번 생각해 보시면 좋을 것 같습니다

 

353

00:20:16,310 –> 00:20:19,740

and think about it for a while.

그리고 잠시 생각해 보십시오.

 

354

00:20:19,740 –> 00:20:23,170

Okay thank you for the good information

알겠습니다 좋은 정보 감사합니다

 

355

00:20:23,170 –> 00:20:26,430

then I’ll try to talk about something else this time

그러면 이번에는 다른 얘기를 해 보려고 합니다

 

356

00:20:26,430 –> 00:20:30,980

I have some questions about your career.

선생님 커리어 관련돼서 궁금한 것들이 있어 가지고요

 

357

00:20:30,980 –> 00:20:34,840

You are now working at Princeton University.

지금 이제 Princeton 대학에서 근무를 하고 계시는데

 

358

00:20:34,840 –> 00:20:38,560

What are you most looking forward to

현재 사서로서의 커리어에서 가장 기대 되시거나

 

359

00:20:38,560 –> 00:20:45,880

or interesting about your current career as a librarian?

흥미로운신 부분이 있으시다면 어떤 게 있으실지가 궁금합니다

 

360

00:20:45,880 –> 00:20:53,340

There may be my personal career as a librarian,

사서로서의 제 개인적인 커리어도 있겠지만은

 

361

00:20:53,340 –> 00:20:56,260

but actually there are many things in the library.

도서관에서 사실은 여러 가지 아까

 

362

00:20:56,260 –> 00:20:57,530

At first, when we started,

처음에 우리가 시작할 때

 

363

00:20:57,530 –> 00:21:00,510

we kept talking about change,

뭐 자꾸 변화에 대한 이야기들을 많이 했었는데

 

364

00:21:00,510 –> 00:21:02,930

but among the work I’m doing now,

지금 제가 하고 있는 업무 가운데

 

365

00:21:02,930 –> 00:21:08,410

especially in the US,

특히 이제 미국에서는 

 

366

00:21:08,410 –> 00:21:10,970

it’s called Controlled Digital Lending (CDL),

Controlled Digital Lending(컨트롤 디지털 랜딩)이라고

 

367

00:21:10,970 –> 00:21:15,040

so this is being talked about as a hot topic in a way.

CDL 이라고 해서 이 것이 지금 가장 어떻게 보면 핫 토픽으로 얘기가 되고 있는데요

 

368

00:21:15,040 –> 00:21:18,440

If translated into Korean,

한국식으로 번역을 하면은 통제

 

369

00:21:18,440 –> 00:21:19,690

I don’t know

모르겠습니다

 

370

00:21:19,690 –> 00:21:23,550

if it will be translated to

통제 controlled

 

371

00:21:23,550 –> 00:21:27,970

this extent.

통제된 디지털 랜딩 디지털 대출 이정도 번역이 될는지는 모르겠습니다

 

372

00:21:27,970 –> 00:21:30,820

Recently, there seems to have been a little report in Korea,

최근에 아마 한국에도 보도가 조금 된 것 같은데

 

373

00:21:30,820 –> 00:21:35,770

but an organization called the Internet Archive

인터넷 아카이브라는 기관에서 

 

374

00:21:35,770 –> 00:21:39,460

based on this CDL principle

이 CDL 원칙에 입각해서

 

375

00:21:39,460 –> 00:21:40,890

scanned the printed book they purchased

자기들이 구입한 인쇄 책을 스캐닝을 하고

 

376

00:21:40,890 –> 00:21:44,100

and loaned the scanned print file to users.

그 스캐닝한 인쇄 그 파일을 이용자들에게 대출을 해주고 하는 그런 활동을 했었는데

 

377

00:21:44,100 –> 00:21:46,270

Because of that, publishers

 그것 때문에 이제 출판사들에서

 

378

00:21:46,270 –> 00:21:51,640

are now suing for copyright infringement,

저작권 위반으로 소송을 했고

 

379

00:21:51,640 –> 00:21:54,720

and in the first trial,

1차 재판에서는 그 사람들이 저작권을 위반한

 

380

00:21:54,720 –> 00:21:56,860

it is decided that those people have violated copyright,

것으로 결정이 나고 계속해서

 

381

00:21:56,860 –> 00:22:01,490

and the trial will continue.

이제 재판은 더 진행이 될 예정인데요

 

382

00:22:01,490 –> 00:22:04,440

The principle of this CDL is this.

이 CDL의 원칙은 이런 겁니다

 

383

00:22:04,440 –> 00:22:10,480

Just like lending a printed book

도서관에서 인쇄책을 이용자들에게 빌려주는 것과

 

384

00:22:10,480 –> 00:22:13,010

to users in a library, instead of lending

마찬가지로 인쇄책을 빌려 주는 대신

 

385

00:22:13,010 –> 00:22:15,680

a printed book, they lend a scanned one.

스캐닝 한 것을 빌려주는데

 

386

00:22:15,680 –> 00:22:18,340

As long as the scanned book is on loan,

스캐닝 한 책이 대출되어 있는 동안은

 

387

00:22:18,340 –> 00:22:22,640

it becomes a control in the sense of controlling

도서관에서 가지고 있는 그 인쇄책의 접근을 통제한다는 의미에서

 

388

00:22:22,640 –> 00:22:24,350

access to the printed book you have in the library.

control이 되는 거죠

 

389

00:22:24,350 –> 00:22:27,240

So, just like purchasing a book in a library

그래서 도서관에서 책을 한 권을 구입을 하고

 

390

00:22:27,240 –> 00:22:30,690

and lending one book to a user,

한 권을 이용자에게 대출하는 것과 마찬가지로

 

391

00:22:30,690 –> 00:22:33,710

scanning is performed

스캐닝을 해서 한 사람의 이용자에게만

 

392

00:22:33,710 –> 00:22:39,180

and only one user can access the digitized book

한 번 그 시기에 한 사람 이용자만

 

393

00:22:39,180 –> 00:22:42,300

at that time,

그 디지털화 한 책을 접근을 할 수 있고

 

394

00:22:42,300 –> 00:22:45,180

and that person After returning it,

그 사람이 반납을 한 이후에는

 

395

00:22:45,180 –> 00:22:49,230

another person can borrow it again,

다른 사람이 또 대출할 수 있고

 

396

00:22:49,230 –> 00:22:52,420

and the system is designed

또 그 전자적으로 접근하는 동안은

 

397

00:22:52,420 –> 00:22:53,440

so that it is impossible to download or print

다운로드 라든가

 

398

00:22:53,440 –> 00:22:57,250

while electronically accessing it.

인쇄 같은 것은 아예 불가능하도록 시스템에 설계를 하고요

 

399

00:22:57,250 –> 00:22:59,210

Because of those parts,

그런 부분들 때문에

 

400

00:22:59,210 –> 00:23:02,930

when the library was closed

이게 지난 2~3일 사이에

 

401

00:23:02,930 –> 00:23:04,930

due to covid in the last 2-3 days,

covid로 도서관이 문을 닫았을 때

 

402

00:23:04,930 –> 00:23:07,100

a significant number of users

상당히 많은 이용자들이

 

403

00:23:07,100 –> 00:23:11,170

received help

도서관에서 이 서비스를 제공하는 경우

 

404

00:23:11,170 –> 00:23:13,270

when the library provided this service.

이용자들이 도움을 받았었습니다

 

405

00:23:13,270 –> 00:23:14,470

And if you look at international

그리고 또 뭐 국제 상호대차에서도 본다면

 

406

00:23:14,470 –> 00:23:17,100

interlibrary loans,

상호대차,

 

407

00:23:17,100 –> 00:23:20,130

it hasn’t actually been used yet.

아직까지 실제로 이용은 되지는 않았지만은

 

408

00:23:20,130 –> 00:23:23,510

For example, when a user in Korea wants to borrow

예를 들어 한국에 있는 이용자가 저희 Princeton 대학에 있는 책을 빌려

 

409

00:23:23,510 –> 00:23:25,130

a book from our Princeton University,

보고 싶을 때 저희들이

 

410

00:23:25,130 –> 00:23:27,140

he or she can read it much faster

실물을 한국에 보내는 것보다도

 

411

00:23:27,140 –> 00:23:28,220

if we can share it digitally than we send

이렇게 디지털로

 

412

00:23:28,220 –> 00:23:32,230

the real thing to Korea, and in many ways

공유를 할 수 있으면은 훨씬 빨리 볼 수 있고

 

413

00:23:32,230 –> 00:23:36,610

We can protect the copyright better.

여러 가지 면에서 저작권도 저희들이 더 잘 보호를 할 수 있거든요

 

414

00:23:36,610 –> 00:23:37,670

Of course, there are differences

그런 부분들을

 

415

00:23:37,670 –> 00:23:41,170

because of the different

 

416

00:23:41,170 –> 00:23:43,810

views of the library

도서관에서 하는 얘기와 

 

417

00:23:43,810 –> 00:23:46,010

and the publishing industry,

출판업계에서 하는 얘기가 서로 달라서

 

418

00:23:46,010 –> 00:23:50,000

but there are differences.

물론 보는 관점이 다르기 때문에 그런 차이도 있습니다만은

 

419

00:23:50,000 –> 00:23:54,230

I do a lot of

그런 부분들에 대해서 지금 사실 흥미롭게 보고 있고

 

420

00:23:54,230 –> 00:23:55,840

different activities

미국 도서관계에서도 이제 계속 진행되는 재판에 관심을 가지고 여러가지 활동을 많이 하고 있죠

 

421

00:23:55,840 –> 00:23:58,330

This isn’t copyright infringement after all.

이게 결국 저작권을 해치는 게 아니다

 

422

00:23:58,330 –> 00:24:01,880

I’m trying to talk about 

하는 얘기를 하려고 하고요. 그렇습니다

 

423

00:24:01,880 –> 00:24:03,390

So, I talked about this for a while

그래서 언젠가 한국에서

 

424

00:24:03,390 –> 00:24:07,770

while talking a few years ago in Korea one day,

몇 년 전에 얘기를 하면서 잠깐 이 얘기를 했었는데

 

425

00:24:07,770 –> 00:24:09,670

and it might be difficult because Korea’s copyright

또 한국은 저작권법이 많이

 

426

00:24:09,670 –> 00:24:14,060

laws are much more restrictive

미국 보다는 훨씬 더 제한적이기 때문에 힘들긴 하겠지만

 

427

00:24:14,060 –> 00:24:16,260

than the United States,

미국보다,

 

428

00:24:16,260 –> 00:24:21,330

it’s a field that I’m personally very interested in.

저도 개인적으로 굉장히 관심이 있는 분야긴 합니다. 

 

429

00:24:21,330 –> 00:24:26,370

While going through the covid,

코로나를 겪으면서 

 

430

00:24:26,370 –> 00:24:30,500

Hong: I felt that users really needed this kind of service.

Bae: Yes

홍유진: 이용자들에게 이런 서비스가 굉장히 많이 필요하다고 느끼긴 했거든요 저도.

배승일: 그렇죠

 

431

00:24:30,500 –> 00:24:33,060

I think it’s a good case

미국 케이스를 통해서

 

432

00:24:33,060 –> 00:24:35,600

that I have to watch to see

또 어떤 인사이트를 얻을 수 있을지

 

433

00:24:35,600 –> 00:24:39,150

what kind of insight I can get through the US case.

저도 한번 지켜봐야 되는 좋은 사례인 것 같네요

 

434

00:24:39,150 –> 00:24:40,200

thank you for telling me

알려 주셔서 감사합니다

 

435

00:24:40,200 –> 00:24:44,100

Then let me ask you another question

그럼 또 다른 질문 드릴께요

 

436

00:24:44,100 –> 00:24:47,970

If you have any professional development

선생님 저같이 한국에 있는 다른

 

437

00:24:47,970 –> 00:24:53,470

tips or advice

사서들에게 IFLA가 처음이거나 참여하고 싶은 사람들한테

 

438

00:24:53,470 –> 00:24:56,130

you would like to share with other librarians in Korea

공유하고 싶은 전문성 개발 팁이나

 

439

00:24:56,130 –> 00:25:00,740

who are new to IFLA or want to participate, please share.

조언이 혹시 있으시다면 공유 부탁 드릴게요

 

440

00:25:00,740 –> 00:25:05,840

Yes, since it is a place where librarians from all over the world gather,

예,   전 세계에 걸친 사서들이 모인 장소다 보니까 

 

441

00:25:05,840 –> 00:25:10,720

what can I actually say?

사실은 뭐랄까

 

442

00:25:10,720 –> 00:25:11,930

It is not easy to do IFLA activities in Korea

한국이나 특히

 

443

00:25:11,930 –> 00:25:19,160

or especially in East Asia.

동아시아 쪽에서 

 

444

00:25:19,160 –> 00:25:21,540

One of the things that is not easy is,

IFLA 활동을 하기가 싶지는 않습니다

 

445

00:25:21,540 –> 00:25:22,970

of course, speaking a foreign language

쉽지 않다는 얘기 중에 하나는 물론

 

446

00:25:22,970 –> 00:25:25,710

and doing activities in Korean

뭐 한국에서 

 

447

00:25:25,710 –> 00:25:28,790

in English in Korea,

한국말로 하는 활동하는 것도 영어로 해야 되니까

 

448

00:25:28,790 –> 00:25:31,910

but It’s just not attend the IFLA congress

뭐 외국어를 한다는 것도 있겠지만

 

449

00:25:31,910 –> 00:25:36,190

held in August,

단순히 그 8월달에

 

450

00:25:36,190 –> 00:25:39,750

but also have regular meetings once a month

열리는 IFLA 대회에만 참석하는 게 아니라

 

451

00:25:39,750 –> 00:25:41,480

if it’s like various committees. is being done

각종위원회 같으면 매달 한 번씩 주기적으로

 

452

00:25:41,480 –> 00:25:45,550

Because the meeting itself is scheduled focused

회의도 이루어지고 하는데

 

453

00:25:45,550 –> 00:25:48,070

in US and Europe.

그 회의 자체가 아무래도 미국과 유럽 쪽을 중심으로

 

454

00:25:48,070 –> 00:25:48,910

If it’s like us, when we have a meeting,

시간이 조절이 되니까

455

00:25:48,910 –> 00:25:53,910

we usually have a meeting early in the morning

저희들 같으면 이제 회의를 하면 보통 미국 시간으로 

 

456

00:25:53,910 –> 00:25:57,840

at 8 or 9 o’clock in the US time

아침 일찍 8시나 9시

 

457

00:25:57,840 –> 00:25:58,790

or early in the afternoon in Europe time.

유럽 시간으로는 오후 시간 이른 시간 대에 이제 회의를 하게되죠

 

458

00:25:58,790 –> 00:26:01,160

Then, in East Asia, South Korea, China, and Japan,

그러면은 동아시아 한국이나 중국, 일본 쪽에서는

 

459

00:26:01,160 –> 00:26:04,330

it is sometimes difficult to attend

저녁 늦은 시간이 되니까

 

460

00:26:04,330 –> 00:26:06,530

because it is late in the evening,

참석하기가 힘든 경우도 있고

 

461

00:26:06,530 –> 00:26:11,060

so depending on the committee,

그래서 위원회에 따라서는 

 

462

00:26:11,060 –> 00:26:14,410

the time is now adjusted by rotation.

이제 로테이션으로 시간을 조절하기도 합니다

 

463

00:26:14,410 –> 00:26:18,180

Anyway, I think there are a few more obstacles

어쨌든 그런 부분들이 이제 특히

 

464

00:26:18,180 –> 00:26:22,120

to making IFLA activities,

외국에서 또 아시아권에서 IFLA 활동을 하게 만드는 데

 

465

00:26:22,120 –> 00:26:25,550

especially people from abroad and in Asia.

조금 더 장애가 되는 부분도 있는 거 같아요

466

00:26:25,550 –> 00:26:28,350

Even so, these days, if it was like

그렇다고 하더라도

 

467

00:26:28,350 –> 00:26:32,520

before, people don’t have zoom

요즘은 예전같으면 사람들이 이렇게 zoom이나 이런

 

468

00:26:32,520 –> 00:26:34,350

or meetings like this.

미팅들이 잘 없으니까

 

469

00:26:34,350 –> 00:26:37,320

I didn’t think about meeting in person,

직접 만나서 하는 것 밖에는 생각을 안 했었는데

 

470

00:26:37,320 –> 00:26:40,440

but now I can meet at any time with zoom like this,

지금은 이렇게 zoom으로 언제든지 만날 수가 있고

 

471

00:26:40,440 –> 00:26:44,290

but there is a part where You have to sacrifice a little bit of time now.

다만 시간을 이제 조금 희생을 해야 된다는 부분이 있으니까요

 

472

00:26:44,290 –> 00:26:46,840

If you take that into account,

그것만 좀 감안을 하시면은 한국에

 

473

00:26:46,840 –> 00:26:51,650

anyone in Korea can apply to the IFLA committee.

계신 분들도 누구나 IFLA에 위원회에 지원을 하실 수가 있구요

 

474

00:26:51,650 –> 00:26:56,200

In addition, IFLA

지원을 하셔서 특이 또 IFLA에서는 요즘 들어서 더욱더

 

475

00:26:56,200 –> 00:26:58,950

is actively encouraging

다양한 목소리들을 반영하기 위해서

 

476

00:26:58,950 –> 00:26:59,980

the participation of librarians in Korea

한국이나 기타

 

477

00:26:59,980 –> 00:27:01,130

and other countries to reflect more

외국에 있는

 

478

00:27:01,130 –> 00:27:04,320

and more diverse voices these days.

사서들의 참가를 적극적으로 장려를 하고 있습니다

 

479

00:27:04,320 –> 00:27:07,530

Of course, I become a standing member of the IFLA, and now,

물론 IFLA 상임위원이 되는데

 

480

00:27:07,530 –> 00:27:10,750

if possible, there are requests to attend the IFLA

이제 가능하면은 매년 IFLA

 

481

00:27:10,750 –> 00:27:13,570

congress every year,

대회에 참석을 해 달라는 것도 있지만

 

482

00:27:13,570 –> 00:27:17,210

but even if you don’t,

꼭 그렇게 안 하더라도 온라인으로 참석을 하고

 

483

00:27:17,210 –> 00:27:19,970

you can attend online and act as a standing member like that.

그렇게 상임위원으로 활동을 할 수도 있으니까

 

484

00:27:19,970 –> 00:27:20,650

Then, now I can present my opinions

그러다 보면

 

485

00:27:20,650 –> 00:27:22,000

on various

이제 여러가지

 

486

00:27:22,000 –> 00:27:26,650

global and international issues,

세계적인 국제적인 이슈에 대해서 자기 의견을 제시를 할 수도 있고

 

487

00:27:26,650 –> 00:27:28,520

and I can learn.

또 배울 수도 있고요

 

488

00:27:28,520 –> 00:27:30,140

Especially in the case of work

특히 상호대차 처럼

 

489

00:27:30,140 –> 00:27:32,410

that affects each other like this,

이렇게 서로 영향을 미치는

 

490

00:27:32,410 –> 00:27:37,570

it is really

진심으로

 

491

00:27:37,570 –> 00:27:39,830

important to have various voices

업무 같은 경우는 정말 세계 곳곳에 다양한 목소리를

 

492

00:27:39,830 –> 00:27:41,270

from around the world.

번영을 하는게 참 중요합니다

 

493

00:27:41,270 –> 00:27:45,680

Even in our committee,

저희들 committee에만 하더라도

 

494

00:27:45,680 –> 00:27:48,770

there are two or three

중국 사서들이 두세명이 있거든요 있는데

 

495

00:27:48,770 –> 00:27:52,210

Chinese librarians.

중국 사서

 

496

00:27:52,210 –> 00:27:55,250

I don’t know if it’s okay or not,

사실은 회의를 매달 해도 참석을 안 하세요

 

497

00:27:55,250 –> 00:27:56,810

but there are also problems

안하시는 건지 못하시는건지 모르겠습니다만은

 

498

00:27:56,810 –> 00:27:58,710

like that

그렇게

 

499

00:27:58,710 –> 00:28:03,540

because the person

또 회의를 주관하는 측에서도 시간을

 

500

00:28:03,540 –> 00:28:04,400

in charge of the meeting

그렇게 고려를 안하고

 

501

00:28:04,400 –> 00:28:07,410

doesn’t really

안 하기 때문에 그런 문제도 있고 한데

 

502

00:28:07,410 –> 00:28:10,150

consider time that much.

그만큼 시간을 고려

 

503

00:28:10,150 –> 00:28:13,050

Even just attending is a big deal.

어쨌든 한번 적극적으로 참석을 해서 온라인으로라도 활동을 해보시다

 

504

00:28:13,050 –> 00:28:15,390

If you do that, especially things

그렇게 하다보면 뭐 특히 

 

505

00:28:15,390 –> 00:28:18,920

like interlibrary loans and data exchange will be much easier.

상호대차나 자료교환 같은 경우는 훨씬 더 쉬워지구요

 

506

00:28:18,920 –> 00:28:22,490

And now, I would like to tell IFLA that

그리고 또 이제 IFLA에 만일

 

507

00:28:22,490 –> 00:28:25,120

if you can attend the meeting in person,

직접 회의에 참석을 할 수 있으면은

 

508

00:28:25,120 –> 00:28:27,550

actually I like going to the session,

사실 저는 세션에 들어가는 것도 좋고 한데

 

509

00:28:27,550 –> 00:28:30,210

but spend more time meeting people

사람 만나고 네트워크 쌓는데

 

510

00:28:30,210 –> 00:28:35,260

and building a network.

더 큰 시간을 투자하라고 말씀을 드리고 싶어요

 

511

00:28:35,260 –> 00:28:37,910

When I first attended a conference

제가 처음 컨퍼런스에 참석을 하고

 

512

00:28:37,910 –> 00:28:39,120

and did this, 

이렇게 했을 때

 

513

00:28:39,120 –> 00:28:43,830

one of the senior librarians told me this.

선배 사서들 중에 한 사람이 저한테 이런 얘기를 하더라고요

 

514

00:28:43,830 –> 00:28:46,030

When I go to conferences and meet people

컨퍼런스에 가서 사람을 만나거든

 

515

00:28:47,300 –> 00:28:48,740

I’m telling you to do

meet up을 하라는거에요

 

516

00:28:48,740 –> 00:28:51,580

a “meet up”

만나다

 

517

00:28:51,580 –> 00:28:52,970

Don’t do a “meet down”

meet down을 하지 말고 

 

518

00:28:52,970 –> 00:28:57,650

What do you mean?

이 말이 무슨 말입니까 무슨 말이냐면

 

519

00:28:57,650 –> 00:29:01,280

to meet such as the president of the director,

그런 컨퍼런스에 가면 이제 도서관에 높은 데 있는 분들 있죠

 

520

00:29:01,280 –> 00:29:05,770

the vice president, or the president of the association

관장님이라던가 부관장님이라던가 아니면 큰 회의에 협회 회장님도 이런 분들도 다 참석을 하지 않습니까

 

521

00:29:05,770 –> 00:29:09,620

Also, if you attend those various cultural events,

그리고 뭐 그 각종 문화행사를 참석하다 보면

 

522

00:29:09,620 –> 00:29:14,480

you can easily talk with them right next to them.

그런 분들 하고도 그냥 옆에서 쉽게 얘기를 할 수가 있어요

 

523

00:29:14,480 –> 00:29:17,910

Of course, you may be a bit hesitant at first,

물론 처음에는 조금 쭈뼛쭈뼛할 수도 있는데

 

524

00:29:17,910 –> 00:29:18,880

but when you talk to them,

얘기를 해 보면 다

 

525

00:29:18,880 –> 00:29:19,860

they are all librarians

똑같은 사서들이고

 

526

00:29:19,860 –> 00:29:23,680

and you can talk more naturally.

오히려 더 자연스럽게 얘기를 할 수가 있거든요

 

527

00:29:23,680 –> 00:29:28,230

So actually, I did a lot of “meet ups” while doing that.

그래서 사실은 저도 그렇게 하면서 meetup을 많이 했지요

 

528

00:29:28,230 –> 00:29:30,250

As a result, while doing IFLA for many years,

그러다 보니까 여러 해 IFLA를 하면서

 

529

00:29:30,250 –> 00:29:35,130

I met and connected

 

530

00:29:35,130 –> 00:29:39,110

with the president of the American Library Association

미국도서관협회 회장님도 그렇고

 

531

00:29:39,110 –> 00:29:43,700

and also the presidents there,

또 회장님들도 거기서 직접 만나서 연결이 되기도 하고

 

532

00:29:43,700 –> 00:29:46,160

and there are also cases where I met three or four people

또 그 전에 IFLA에서 IFLA회장을 역임하셨던 서너분들

 

533

00:29:46,160 –> 00:29:49,560

who served as IFLA presidents like that and still keep in touch.

그렇게 만나서 지금도 연락을 하는 경우도 있죠. 

 

534

00:29:49,560 –> 00:29:54,370

When I talk to those people, I hear a lot of other things that I can’t hear

그런 분들 하고 얘기를 하다보면 또 다른 동료들과 얘기했을 때 들을 수 없는 

 

535

00:29:54,370 –> 00:29:56,900

when I talk to other colleagues.

다른 얘기들도 많이 듣습니다

 

536

00:29:56,900 –> 00:29:59,810

I listen a lot and learn a lot.

많이 듣고 그러면서 배우기도 하고요

 

537

00:29:59,810 –> 00:30:04,450

Also, in reality, such a network

또 현실적으로 그런 네트워크가 

 

538

00:30:04,450 –> 00:30:05,630

helps me to build various careers,

나중에 직장이라든가 취업이라든가

 

539

00:30:05,630 –> 00:30:09,960

such as finding a job later.

여러가지 커리어를 쌓아 나가는데도 도움이 되기도 하고요

 

540

00:30:09,960 –> 00:30:12,100

I know that in Korea, even if it is not IFLA,

한국에서도 굳이 IFLA가 아니더라도

 

541

00:30:12,100 –> 00:30:15,550

the library association holds an event every year,

도서관 협회에서 매년 행사를 하는 것으로 알고 있는데

 

542

00:30:15,550 –> 00:30:16,610

but I don’t know.

모르겠습니다

 

543

00:30:16,610 –> 00:30:19,430

I’ve never attended the Korea Library Conference,

저도 한국도서관 컨퍼런스는 한번도 참석 해보지 않아서

 

544

00:30:19,430 –> 00:30:21,740

so I don’t know what kind of atmosphere it is,

어떤 분위기인지는 모르겠는데

 

545

00:30:21,740 –> 00:30:26,150

but I think one of the important things

이렇게 국제적인 단체같은데서 활동을 하면서 중요한 것 중에

 

546

00:30:26,150 –> 00:30:28,290

while working in such an international organization

하나는 그렇게 사람들을 만나고

 

547

00:30:28,290 –> 00:30:33,980

is meeting people and growing a network like that.

네트워크를 키워나가는 것 그게 중요한 일이라고 생각합니다

 

548

00:30:33,980 –> 00:30:37,820

Also, I think I can communicate more comfortably

또 영어라는 언어를 통해서 좀 더 편하게

 

549

00:30:37,820 –> 00:30:40,520

through the language called English.

대화를 나눌 수 있는 거 같아요

 

550

00:30:40,520 –> 00:30:47,600

Bae: Yes

Hong: In Korea, there are some restrictions on age and respectful words,

배승일: 그렇죠 

홍유진: 한국에서는 나이나 존댓말이나 이런 제한이 살짝 있어서

 

551

00:30:47,600 –> 00:30:52,740

Hong: so it’s not easy to speak comfortably.

Bae: That’s an important point

홍유진: 편하게 말하기가 쉽지 않거든요 

배승일: 중요한 지적입니다

 

552

00:30:52,740 –> 00:31:01,180

For example, last year I attended a conference in Qatar,

예를 들어서 지난해 제가 카타르에서 열린 컨퍼런스에 참석을 했었는데

 

553

00:31:01,180 –> 00:31:04,180

where the National Library of Qatar

거기서 이제 카타르 국립도서관

 

554

00:31:04,180 –> 00:31:06,590

is now a very nice building.

아주 멋진 빌딩이거든요. 

 

555

00:31:06,590 –> 00:31:09,300

I once talked to the librarian

국립도서관을 처음 만드신

 

556

00:31:09,300 –> 00:31:13,820

from Germany, Claudia Lux,

클라우디아 룩스 라는 독일 출신의 사서 관장님과

 

557

00:31:13,820 –> 00:31:16,160

who created the first National Library.

국립도서관을 만들었다

 

558

00:31:16,160 –> 00:31:23,210

As the president of IFLA in the past,

얘기를 한 적이 있습니다

 

559

00:31:23,210 –> 00:31:25,810

you were probably very active in the 2000s.

예전에 IFLA 회장으로 아마 2000년대에 활동을 아주 활발하게 하셨어요

 

560

00:31:25,810 –> 00:31:29,260

And then our relationship continues,

저도 IFLA 총회에서 어느해에 만나고

 

561

00:31:29,260 –> 00:31:30,710

and when we meet, right now

그러고 계속 인연이 이어지는데 만나면은 바로

 

562

00:31:30,710 –> 00:31:33,040

we both speak English, so we can just talk to each other

이제 둘 다 영어를 하니까

 

563

00:31:33,040 –> 00:31:36,160

like friends like calling each other ‘Claudia’ ‘Peter’.

그냥 클라우디아 피터 그러고 서로 친구처럼 얘기를 할 수가 있거든요.

 

564

00:31:36,160 –> 00:31:38,790

Then it’s much easier to get closer.

그러다보면 훨씬 좀 더 쉽게 가까워지죠

 

565

00:31:38,790 –> 00:31:39,670

And they sit down and have a beer

그리고 앉아서 맥주 한잔 하면서 이런저런 뭐 온갖

 

566

00:31:39,670 –> 00:31:43,390

and talk about all sorts of

뒷 얘기들 가십성 얘기들도 해주시고

 

567

00:31:43,390 –> 00:31:49,560

Bae: behind-the-scenes stories and gossip.

Hong: I must study English

배승일: 그렇습니다. 

홍유진: 영어 공부를 꼭 해야겠네요

 

568

00:31:55,390 –> 00:32:02,410

But think like this. Of course, English is stressful for us, but in fact, it’s because the librarians gathered.

근데 이렇게 생각을 하세요. 영어가 물론 우리가 스트레스를 받긴 하는데 사실 사서들이 모인 거니까

 

569

00:32:02,410 –> 00:32:05,490

What librarians say About the library, after all,

사서들이 하는 얘기 도서관 얘기는 결국

 

570

00:32:05,490 –> 00:32:06,620

it’s only that it’s in English,

그것이 영어로 나왔다는 것 뿐이지

 

571

00:32:06,620 –> 00:32:10,390

but it’s a story that can be fully understood,

충분히 이해할 수 있는 이야기 들이고

 

572

00:32:10,390 –> 00:32:15,370

and it’s not that difficult if you listen with interest.

또 관심가지고 들으면 그렇게 어렵진 않습니다.

 

573

00:32:15,370 –> 00:32:19,260

Moreover, one of the important things while working at IFLA

더군다나 IFLA에서 활동을 할 때 중요한 것 중에 하나가 

 

574

00:32:19,260 –> 00:32:21,580

is that I actually learned a lot,

저도 사실 많이 배웠는데

 

575

00:32:21,580 –> 00:32:25,170

especially when I come to IFLA,

ifla에 도착하면

 

576

00:32:25,170 –> 00:32:30,240

especially in the case of native English-speaking friends.

특히 영어를 원어로 쓰는 친구들 같은 경우에 IFLA에 오면은 저도 이제 그런 얘기를 합니다만 말 좀 천천히 하라고 하거든요 너무 나서지 말고

 

577

00:32:30,240 –> 00:32:32,120

In particular, the culture is the same,

미국 사람들이나 영국 사람들 특히 문화가 그렇지만은

 

578

00:32:32,120 –> 00:32:32,690

but when other people are talking,

남이 말할 때 

 

579

00:32:32,690 –> 00:32:35,750

they hang up first and come in,

먼저 끊고 들어오기도 하고

 

580

00:32:35,750 –> 00:32:37,980

and they talk very aggressively.

아주 공격적으로 얘기를 해요

 

581

00:32:37,980 –> 00:32:44,120

However, when meeting at IFLA, in fact,

근데 IFLA에서 회의를 하다 보면은 사실은

 

582

00:32:44,120 –> 00:32:45,330

standing committee members from other countries

다른 나라에서 온 상임위원들도

 

583

00:32:45,330 –> 00:32:48,690

also have something to say,

분명히 할 말은 있는데

 

584

00:32:48,690 –> 00:32:50,770

but now they have to do it in English

그걸 이제 자기 나라 언어가 아닌 영어로 해야 되다보니까

 

585

00:32:50,770 –> 00:32:54,140

instead of their own language. because

이렇게 저렇게 막 생각하고 번역하고 하다 보면 때를 놓치는 경우가 많거든요

 

586

00:32:54,140 –> 00:32:57,520

So when I host a meeting, especially to my

그래서 제가 회의를 주관할 때는 특히 영어쓰는

 

587

00:32:57,520 –> 00:33:01,930

English-speaking friends, don’t step out too much,

친구들한테는 너무 나서지 말고 

 

588

00:33:01,930 –> 00:33:02,690

talk slowly, and as the person in charge of the meeting,

천천히 얘기하고 다른 사람 그러고 회의를 주관하는 사람으로서

 

589

00:33:02,690 –> 00:33:05,060

stop talking to people from

일부로라도 영어권에서 온 사람들 얘기를 끊고

 

590

00:33:05,060 –> 00:33:09,000

English-speaking countries, ask people from other countries to talk,

다른 나라에서 온 사람들한테 얘기를 물어보고 

 

591

00:33:09,000 –> 00:33:12,920

and let them talk.

얘기를 하게하다

 

592

00:33:12,920 –> 00:33:16,670

There are good stories out there.

보면은 좋은 이야기들이 나오거든요

 

593

00:33:16,670 –> 00:33:19,510

In the end, we do the work of the library

결국은 우리가 도서관이라는 일을 하고

 

594

00:33:19,510 –> 00:33:23,900

and talk about the work of the library in English.

그 도서관의 일에 대한 것을 영어로 얘기하는 것이니까

 

595

00:33:23,900 –> 00:33:33,500

After all, English is just a tool, so don’t be too burdened and try it once.

영어는 결국 도구일 뿐이니까 너무 부담은 가지지 마시고 한번 부딪혀보면 되죠

 

596

00:33:33,500 –> 00:33:37,010

I kept asking about the library,

계속 도서관 얘기를 여쭤봤었는데

 

597

00:33:37,010 –> 00:33:39,960

but if you haven’t worked in a library,

만약에 혹시 도서관에서 일을 안 하셨다면요

 

598

00:33:39,960 –> 00:33:43,360

you studied history as a librarian

사서로서 역사학도 공부하시고

 

599

00:33:43,360 –> 00:33:44,970

and have other backgrounds.

다른 배경도 있으시니까

 

600

00:33:44,970 –> 00:33:49,630

Are there any other jobs you would like to try besides being a librarian?

사서 외에 다른 직업 혹시 해보시고 싶으셨던 것 있으셨을까요

 

601

00:33:49,630 –> 00:33:56,350

Well, rather than characterizing a job as a job,

글쎄요 직업이라고는

 

602

00:33:56,350 –> 00:34:02,370

it’s just something I wanted to do.

직업으로 특징을 짓기보다는 그냥 제가 하고 싶었던 일

 

603

00:34:02,370 –> 00:34:03,550

Even now, I can still do it

지금도 여전히 

 

604

00:34:03,550 –> 00:34:07,280

if I really want to.

제가 정말 하고 싶으면 할 수 있겠죠

 

605

00:34:07,280 –> 00:34:09,600

But I studied history,

근데 역사를 공부했고

 

606

00:34:09,600 –> 00:34:11,760

and what I was interested in, of course,

저는 관심이 있었던 게 물론

 

607

00:34:11,760 –> 00:34:14,860

was thinking about getting a degree

뭐 학위를 받고 교수가 되는 그런것을 생각했지만

 

608

00:34:14,860 –> 00:34:16,720

and becoming a professor,

 

609

00:34:16,720 –> 00:34:21,250

but what I was really interested in

제가 실제로 관심이 있었던 것은 

 

610

00:34:21,250 –> 00:34:22,230

was researching history as a scholar

역사를 학자로서 연구를 하고

 

611

00:34:22,230 –> 00:34:26,270

and how to inform the public

어떻게 발견한 사실들에 대해서 그것들을 대중들에게

 

612

00:34:26,270 –> 00:34:27,500

about the facts I discovered.

얼마나 알릴 수 있는가 도움이 될 수 있도록 알릴 수 있는가 하는 것이

 

613

00:34:27,500 –> 00:34:32,870

I was more interested in that part

제가 그 부분에 대해 더 큰 관심이 있었습니다

 

614

00:34:32,870 –> 00:34:37,180

if I could inform it so that it could help.

 

615

00:34:37,180 –> 00:34:40,080

So, when I first studied at the State

그래서 처음에 뉴욕주립대에서 공부를 할 때도

 

616

00:34:40,080 –> 00:34:45,530

University of New York,

뉴욕 대학교 올버니

 

617

00:34:45,530 –> 00:34:48,030

the university now refers to

그 대학에서 이제 역사학 관련 다큐멘터리라든가

 

618

00:34:48,030 –> 00:34:49,750

history-related documentaries or recently public history,

최근에 퍼블릭 히스토리라는 표현을 하는데

 

619

00:34:49,750 –> 00:34:52,350

so there are documentaries or even historical novels.

그래서 다큐멘타리라든가 아니면 심지어 역사소설도 있고요

 

620

00:34:52,350 –> 00:34:55,070

Perhaps it would be fun to do

그렇게 역사적인 연구의

 

621

00:34:55,070 –> 00:35:00,350

such an activity that introduces the results of such historical research

결과를 대중들에게 접근할 수 있는 방식으로 소개해주는

 

622

00:35:00,350 –> 00:35:03,720

in a way that is accessible to the public.

그런활동을 아마 재밌게 할 수 있지 않았을까

 

623

00:35:03,720 –> 00:35:05,850

That’s why I made a documentary

그래서 다큐멘터리를 만든다든가

 

624

00:35:05,850 –> 00:35:07,830

about making a documentary, actually,

사실은 그때 과정을 들으면서

 

625

00:35:07,830 –> 00:35:11,150

while listening to the course, I made a radio documentary.

라디오 다큐멘터리를 하나 만들었거든요

 

626

00:35:11,150 –> 00:35:13,020

There was an old cafe

뉴욕주 알바니 북부에 있는

 

627

00:35:13,020 –> 00:35:15,200

in a very old resort called Saratoga,

사라토가(Saratoga)라는 아주

 

628

00:35:15,200 –> 00:35:20,150

north of Albany, New York.

오래된 휴양지에 역사가 오래된 카페가 하나 있었습니다

 

629

00:35:20,150 –> 00:35:23,530

In particular, American folk music

특히 미국의 포크뮤직

 

630

00:35:23,530 –> 00:35:26,190

famous singers all sang there

유명한 가수들이 무명 시절에

 

631

00:35:26,190 –> 00:35:29,550

when they were unknown,

그들은 알려지지 않았다

 

632

00:35:29,550 –> 00:35:34,240

but there was a cafe,

다 거기서 노래를 하고 그랬던 그런데 카페가 있었는데

 

633

00:35:34,240 –> 00:35:37,760

and I made a 20-minute documentary about the cafe.

그 카페에 관한 다큐멘터리를 한 20분 짜리를 만들었었어요

 

634

00:35:37,760 –> 00:35:42,000

After making it, I thought about whether I would have done something like that

그런 작업들이 참 재밌고 뿌듯하더라고요

 

635

00:35:42,000 –> 00:35:45,940

if I hadn’t become a librarian.

만들고 나니까 그래서 아마 사서가 안되었더라면

 

636

00:35:45,940 –> 00:35:47,060

There are still many things I want to do.

그런 거를 해보지 않았을까 하는 생각도 해보고

 

637

00:35:47,060 –> 00:35:49,380

There are many things I want to do,

그렇습니다. 지금도 해보고 싶은 일을 많죠. 해보고 싶은 일은 많고

 

638

00:35:49,380 –> 00:35:54,980

and when I retire later, my bucket list is full of things I need to do now.

나중에 은퇴하면 지금 해야 될 일이 버켓 리스트에 가득 쌓여있습니다

 

639

00:35:54,980 –> 00:36:01,320

Hong: How long until retirement?

Bae: Rather than how much is left,

홍유진: 은퇴까지 얼마나 남으셨어요 선생님?

배승일: 얼마가 남았다기 보다는

 

640

00:36:01,320 –> 00:36:04,250

it’s about how much I can do.

얼마나 제가 할 수 있느냐 하는 거겠죠

 

641

00:36:04,250 –> 00:36:08,260

Now that the position has been

이제 자리가 종신임기를 받았기 때문에

 

642

00:36:08,260 –> 00:36:13,400

given a tenure,

 

643

00:36:13,400 –> 00:36:15,260

I can work as long as I want as long as I can.

제가 원하면 일을 할 수 있는한은 언제까지나 할 수 있습니다

644

00:36:15,260 –> 00:36:17,420

You don’t have to retire at the age of 60 or 65

한국처럼 60세 혹은 65세 은퇴를 해야되는 게 아니고

 

645

00:36:17,420 –> 00:36:19,490

like in Korea, and like most university

미국의 대부분 대학도서관들도 그렇지만

 

646

00:36:19,490 –> 00:36:24,370

libraries in the US, as long as you want,

자기가 원하는 한은 죽을 때까지 일을 할 수가 있거든요

 

647

00:36:24,370 –> 00:36:27,400

until you die. I can work

 

648

00:36:27,400 –> 00:36:29,840

We even have 75-78-year-old librarians in our library,

심지어 저희 도서관에는 75세 78세 된 사서분도 있습니다

 

649

00:36:29,840 –> 00:36:32,170

because there are librarians

사서가 있기 때문에

 

650

00:36:32,170 –> 00:36:36,030

who have been working for 30 or 50 years.

30년 50년씩 일한 사서들이 있으니까요

 

651

00:36:36,030 –> 00:36:40,230

But now that I’m too old and retire,

근데 이제 너무 나이가 들어서 은퇴를 하면 이런 활동들을 못할테니까

 

652

00:36:40,230 –> 00:36:45,740

I won’t be able to do these activities, so I have to think about it first.

먼저 고민을 해 봐야죠

 

653

00:36:45,740 –> 00:36:49,260

I don’t know

모르겠습니다

 

654

00:36:49,260 –> 00:36:52,160

I’m looking forward to more what kind of work you’re

제가 더 기대가 되네요. 선생님께서 어떤 업무를 하시게 되실지 사서가 아니시면

 

655

00:36:52,160 –> 00:36:55,530

going to do,

하려고

 

656

00:36:55,530 –> 00:36:58,560

unless I’m a librarian.

근데 뭔가 사서가 아니시라도

 

657

00:36:58,560 –> 00:37:03,300

Hong: Don’t you like that kind of thing you want to tell me

Bae: I guess so

홍유진: 다른 사람들한테 여러 정보를 주는 그런 업무를 왠지 하실것 같아요. 알려 주고 싶어 하시는 그런 것을 좋아하시지 않나

배승일: 아마 그럴 것 같아요

 

658

00:37:03,300 –> 00:37:06,960

I think there may be some very professional and philosophical things,

제 생각에도 아주 전문적이고 철학적인 것도 있겠지만

 

659

00:37:06,960 –> 00:37:11,360

but if you give some information in a way

사람들이 쉽게 이해할 수 있는 방식으로

 

660

00:37:11,360 –> 00:37:14,640

that people can easily understand,

어떤 정보를 알려주면 

 

661

00:37:14,640 –> 00:37:18,630

you can probably do those things.

아마 그런 일들은 충분히 할 수 있겠죠

 

662

00:37:18,630 –> 00:37:24,400

Okay, so now it’s already the last question.

네, 그러면 이제 벌써 마지막 질문이 되었는데요

 

663

00:37:24,400 –> 00:37:28,890

I wonder if you have anything to share about the project,

선생님께서 지금 혹시 작업 중인 프로젝트나

 

664

00:37:28,890 –> 00:37:34,980

presentation, or program you’re working on, about the event

프레젠테이션 또는 프로그램 중에서 집중할 예정인 이벤트나

 

665

00:37:34,980 –> 00:37:40,700

or audience you plan to focus on.

발표 대상에 대한 말씀에 대해서 공유해주실 것이 있으신지 궁금합니다.

 

666

00:37:40,700 –> 00:37:45,230

Yes, I talked about it in a question earlier,

예, 아까 잠시 앞에 질문에서 얘기를 했었는데

 

667

00:37:45,230 –> 00:37:51,400

but at a conference held at the IFLA headquarters a few days ago,

며칠 전에 IFLA 본부에서 열린 컨퍼런스에서

 

668

00:37:51,400 –> 00:37:54,210

what I talked about was resource sharing in time of conflicts and crisis

제가 얘기를 했던 게 리소스 쉐어링 complete of crisis라고 해서

 

669

00:37:54,210 –> 00:37:58,750

How can library interlibrary loans or library resource

분쟁과 위기에 도서관의 상호대차 업무 혹은 도서관의 자료공유 일이

 

670

00:37:58,750 –> 00:38:07,360

sharing work help to solve such situations in conflicts and crises

어떻게 그런 상황을 해결하는데 도움이 될 것인가

 

671

00:38:07,360 –> 00:38:10,240

called complete of crisis?

“위기의 완전체”라고 불림

 

672

00:38:10,240 –> 00:38:14,590

So, in fact, I made such a proposal

그래서 제가 사실은 그 발표를 하면서 그런 제안을 했었는데

 

673

00:38:14,590 –> 00:38:17,990

while making the announcement,

발표를 하면서

 

674

00:38:17,990 –> 00:38:19,920

but IFLA officially supported it

IFLA에서 공식적으로 지원을 하고

 

675

00:38:19,920 –> 00:38:23,930

and cooperated with such organizations as UNESCO.

또 유네스코라든가

 

676

00:38:23,930 –> 00:38:26,730

Doesn’t the UN dispatch

이런 기관과 협력을 해서 그런 게 있죠

 

677

00:38:26,730 –> 00:38:30,260

an emergency relief team to any conflict

UN에서 어떤 분쟁지역이나

 

678

00:38:30,260 –> 00:38:31,420

area or crisis area? As such,

위기 지역의 긴급 구호단을 파견하지 않습니까? 그런 것처럼

 

679

00:38:31,420 –> 00:38:36,170

the need for information certainly exists in such areas.

그런 지역에도 분명 정보에 대한 필요성은 존재를 하고요

 

680

00:38:36,170 –> 00:38:38,340

I had a conversation with the headquarters staff at IFLA

그런 정보를 긴급정보지원팀 이런 것을 한번 꾸려보면 어떻겠느냐 하는 

 

681

00:38:38,340 –> 00:38:41,780

about what it would be like to organize such information

그런 얘기를 IFLA에서 마침 본부 직원들하고

 

682

00:38:41,780 –> 00:38:45,860

with the emergency information support team,

비상정보팀과 함께

 

683

00:38:45,860 –> 00:38:48,960

and I said that when I made the announcement.

발표할 때 그런 얘기를 했었습니다 

 

684

00:38:48,960 –> 00:38:52,160

In fact, I plan to develop these parts more systematically

사실 이부분들을 앞으로 조금 더 한번 체계적으로 발전을 시켜 나가볼 생각인데요

 

685

00:38:52,160 –> 00:38:55,780

in the future.

미래에

 

686

00:38:55,780 –> 00:38:58,720

Also, during covid in 2020,

또 지난 2020년 코비드 때도

 

687

00:38:58,720 –> 00:39:00,480

I don’t know if you remember covid during that period,

그렇지만은 covid 그 기간에 기억하시는지 모르겠습니다만은 

 

688

00:39:00,480 –> 00:39:05,950

but there was a big explosion in Beirut,

레바논의 수도 베이루트에서 큰 폭발사고가 있었죠

 

689

00:39:05,950 –> 00:39:09,570

the capital of Lebanon.

레바논의 수도

 

690

00:39:09,570 –> 00:39:15,580

So, hundreds of houses nearby were destroyed, and I did this.

그래서 근처에 수백채 집들이 부서지고 이렇게 했었는데

 

691

00:39:15,580 –> 00:39:18,880

Then I got a request from a fellow librarian

그때 이제 레바논에

 

692

00:39:18,880 –> 00:39:21,870

at the American University of Beirut,

거기에 있는 American University of Beirut에 있는

 

693

00:39:21,870 –> 00:39:26,910

which is now in Lebanon.

동료 사서로부터 제가 신청을 하나 받았었어요

 

694

00:39:26,910 –> 00:39:29,850

Because of the explosion accident,

폭발 사고 때문에 집들이 이제 흔들리고

 

695

00:39:29,850 –> 00:39:32,320

the houses are now shaking

집에 이제 구조가

 

696

00:39:32,320 –> 00:39:35,030

and the structure of the house

제대로 서있기 힘든 상태에서 

 

697

00:39:35,030 –> 00:39:36,550

is now difficult

지금은 어렵다

 

698

00:39:36,550 –> 00:39:40,250

to stand properly,

그것을 빨리 진단을 하고

 

699

00:39:40,250 –> 00:39:42,680

so it is necessary to quickly diagnose it

집을 허물던지

 

700

00:39:42,680 –> 00:39:44,990

and tear down the house or repair it again.

다시 고치던지 하는 그런 조치가 필요한데

 

701

00:39:44,990 –> 00:39:50,040

However, in order to do that work, we need data

마침 그 대학에 있는 건축공학과 교수님들이 그 작업을 지원을 했다

 

702

00:39:50,040 –> 00:39:52,200

such as the architectural diagnosis standard

 

703

00:39:52,200 –> 00:39:55,090

made in the United States,

근데 그 작업을 하기 위해서 미국에서 만든 건축 진단 스탠다드 같은 자료가 필요한데

 

704

00:39:55,090 –> 00:39:56,910

and the economic situation of Lebanon at the time

그 당시 레바논의 경제적 상황도 그렇고 이런 것들이 그 자료를

 

705

00:39:56,910 –> 00:39:59,330

was too difficult to obtain.

입수하기에는 너무 힘들다는거였죠

 

706

00:39:59,330 –> 00:40:00,450

And again, the problem was

그리고 또 문제가

 

707

00:40:00,450 –> 00:40:01,140

that libraries in the US were now closed

이제 미국에서도 도서관들이 코비드 때문에 문을 닫고 있는 상황이였고

 

708

00:40:01,140 –> 00:40:04,990

due to Covid,

코로나로 인해

 

709

00:40:04,990 –> 00:40:08,100

so I was able to get the standard in 2-3 days

그래서 제가 이제 그 친구의 신청을 받고 제가 알고 있는 네트워크들을 연결을 해서

 

710

00:40:08,100 –> 00:40:11,170

by connecting the networks

2-3일만에 그 스탠다드를 구해서 보내 줄 수가 있었어요

 

711

00:40:11,170 –> 00:40:13,150

I knew after receiving the

나는 이것을 받고 안다

 

712

00:40:13,150 –> 00:40:15,970

friend’s request.

친구의 부탁

 

713

00:40:15,970 –> 00:40:18,240

So, in fact, I

사실은

 

714

00:40:18,240 –> 00:40:24,490

don’t know what significance we have in the library,

그래서 그런 것처럼 사실은 도서관에서

 

715

00:40:24,490 –> 00:40:26,710

depending on how we think of document

우리가 뭐 문서배달 상호대차 이런 것들이 생각하기에 따라서

 

716

00:40:26,710 –> 00:40:28,470

delivery and interlibrary loans,

무슨 큰 의미가 있나 그러는지 모르겠지만

 

717

00:40:28,470 –> 00:40:29,750

but depending on the situation,

상황에 따라서는 정말

 

718

00:40:29,750 –> 00:40:33,740

it’s what we do that can play a really decisive role.

결정적인 역할을 할 수 있는 게 우리가 하는 일이거든요

 

719

00:40:33,740 –> 00:40:36,820

Also, the UN has recently

그리고 또 UN에서 최근에 지속 가능한 발전에 관한 얘기들을 하고 있는데

 

720

00:40:36,820 –> 00:40:39,100

been talking about sustainable development,

지속가능한 발전을 말하다

 

721

00:40:39,100 –> 00:40:43,440

and one of them in particular

그중에 특히 한 가지가 정보에 대한 접근권

 

722

00:40:43,440 –> 00:40:46,590

is the right to access to information,

인포메이션 엑세스는 어떤

 

723

00:40:46,590 –> 00:40:50,040

and access to information

지속 가능한 발전의 아주 필수적인 요소라고

 

724

00:40:50,040 –> 00:40:52,410

is a very essential

UN에서 인정을 한 것이 있으니까

 

725

00:40:52,410 –> 00:40:54,250

element of any sustainable development,

 

726

00:40:54,250 –> 00:40:59,730

so the UN has recognized it.

유엔은 이를 인정했다

 

727

00:40:59,730 –> 00:41:02,130

Let’s go beyond simply lending books

그런 분위기들를 이용해서 한번 도서관에서도 단순히 사람들이 생각하는

 

728

00:41:02,130 –> 00:41:07,580

that people think of,

책 빌려 주는 곳을 넘어서

 

729

00:41:07,580 –> 00:41:09,310

and play a role that can provide information

필요한 곳과 필요한 상황에 정보를 제공해 줄 수 있는 어떤 그런

 

730

00:41:09,310 –> 00:41:11,810

where and when it is needed, once internationally.

역할을 한번 국제적으로 한번 해보자 뭐 그런 얘기들을 하고 있습니다

 

731

00:41:11,810 –> 00:41:15,530

So I don’t know how it developed,

그래서 그게 어떤 식으로 발전이 됐는지는 모르겠는데

 

732

00:41:15,530 –> 00:41:20,630

but it’s called RSCVD RSCVD, which I just started.

제가 이제 시작했던 RSCVD RSCVD이라고 하고

 

733

00:41:20,630 –> 00:41:21,530

Originally, the name was Resource

원래 그 이름이

 

734

00:41:21,530 –> 00:41:31,000

Sharing in the Times of COVID-19,

Resource Sharing in the Times of COVID-19인데

 

735

00:41:31,000 –> 00:41:37,170

but depending on what you read, RSCVD reads as received.

RSCVD이라는게 읽기에 따라서는 received 받았다라는 그런 말로도 읽히거든요

 

736

00:41:37,170 –> 00:41:42,820

So, we thought that this RSCVD

그래서 저희는 이 RSCVD 이니셔티브가

 

737

00:41:42,820 –> 00:41:45,310

initiative might play a role in some kind of emergency

아마 이런 식의 어떤 긴급 지원 국제 긴급 

738

00:41:45,310 –> 00:41:48,170

support international emergency support information center,

지원 정보센터에 어떤 그런 역할을 해줄수도 있지 않을까 해서

 

739

00:41:48,170 –> 00:41:50,670

so we have thoughts of developing it, and we have several ideas.

그것도 발전을 시켜볼 생각도 있고 여러가지 아이디어들은 있습니다

 

740

00:41:50,670 –> 00:41:55,510

Bae: We’ll see what happens.

Hong: It sounds like a very interesting project.

배승일: 어떻게 될지는 두고 봐야죠. 

홍유진: 굉장히 흥미로운 프로젝트인 것 같습니다

 

741

00:41:55,510 –> 00:41:57,470

What’s going on

진행되는 상황

 

742

00:41:57,470 –> 00:41:59,870

It would be great if you could share it

저희 한국 사서들도 많이 알 수 있도록

 

743

00:41:59,870 –> 00:42:02,180

so that our Korean librarians can also know a lot about it.

공유 해주시면 너무 좋을 거 같아요

 

744

00:42:02,180 –> 00:42:03,910

Yes, and I plan to keep doing it

예, 그리고 한국사서협회

 

745

00:42:03,910 –> 00:42:06,180

so that more people from the the Korea Library Association

선생님들도 좀 많이 참석할 수 있도록 제가 자꾸 할 생각입니다

 

746

00:42:06,180 –> 00:42:11,630

can attend. 

 

747

00:42:11,630 –> 00:42:13,480

Thank you very much for

감사합니다

 

748

00:42:13,480 –> 00:42:15,280

taking your precious time

선생님 귀한 시간 내주셔서 좋은 말씀 해주셔서 정말 감사드립니다

 

749

00:42:15,280 –> 00:42:18,780

and for your kind words. Thank you.

감사합니다

 

750

00:42:18,780 –> 00:42:21,680

Especially, it’s really nice

특히 또 제가 제가 좋아하는 도서관에 관한

 

751

00:42:21,680 –> 00:42:26,050

to be able to talk about

이야기를 한국말로 할 수 있어서 정말 좋습니다

 

752

00:42:26,050 –> 00:42:27,690

my favorite library

내가 가장 좋아하는 도서관

 

753

00:42:27,690 –> 00:42:33,640

in Korean. Thank you. thank you

저도 한국말로 이렇게 할 수 있어서 더 의미 있었던 것 같습니다. 감사합니다

Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our newest episode (season 4) of the CPDWL Podcast Project where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.

See here for the podcast (this conversation is in Cantonese-Chinese. For translation, please see below)

Our host for this episode is Ray Pun (CPDWL). Our guest is Carmen Lei, CPDWL Standing Committee Member.

This episode’s guest is Carmen Lei. Carmen Lei is the Librarian at Macao Institute for Tourism Studies, standing committee member of IFLA CPDWL 2019-2023, council member of Macao Library and Information Management Association and

Chairperson of the Macao Academic Library Alliance 2023-2024. Carmen Lei 現任為澳門旅遊學院圖書館館長，2019-2023 IFLA 繼續職業發展與職場學習委員會委員，澳門圖書館暨資訊管理協會理事及2023-2024澳門高校圖書館聯盟主席

Transcript (Traditional Chinese)

Ray : [00:00:01.62]大家好，我是Ray Pun ，歡迎大家收聽IFLA CPDWL 的podcast 項目，我們平日都會邀請圖書館界的同事去分享他們的工作，希望大家喜歡今天這一節!今天嘉賓是澳門的Carmen Lei!

 

Carmen: [00:00:30.39] [00:00:30.00]你好，大家好。

 

Ray : [00:00:32.49] 歡迎你!今天我們會嘗試以廣東話、英語來做這個節目，Carmen，你有些活動可跟大家聊聊嗎?你可否分享你現在身於什麼地方？你的工作等等。

 

Carmen: [00:00:59.70] 好 [00:01:00.00]大家好，首先我很感謝Ray 今天的邀請！在這個平台跟大家分享我的工作！我是Carmen ！我的工作地點是在澳門。

 

Ray : [00:01:13.36] 你是做那一類型的圖書館？

 

Carmen: [00:01:16.06] 我主要在一所大專院校的圖書館工作，學院名稱為「澳門旅遊學院」，這所學院主要提供本科及研究生有關旅遊及酒店業相關的課程 [00:01:30.00]而我是這所圖書館的館長。

 

Ray : [00:01:38.24]如果你需要用一個字形容你自己的性格，你認為可以用什麼詞呢?

 

Carmen: [00:01:47.18]用一個去形容都比較難! 因為我都很貪心呢！如果真的要用一個詞來形容自己？我認為是承擔力，我認為做每一件事都一定要有責任心，[00:02:00.00]要勇於承擔，這個態度是非常緊要。但我會希望把這個問題改變為:自己在別人心目中是一個怎樣的人呢？例如別人想起Carmen，他們對我的評價是怎樣? 而我希望自己在職場上，或在不同崗位上，都是一個被人信賴的人! 我希望自己可以成為一個 [00:02:30.00]有我在。別人就會覺得安心的一個人啦！

 

Ray : [00:02:32.96] 講得非常好。請問你怎樣開始在圖書館工作呢? 你可否分享你的故事呢?

 

Carmen: [00:02:43.16] 可以。我想起在自己修讀本科課程的時候，都很希望累積 [00:03:00.00]一些工作經驗，而剛好學院有一個為期十個月的[管理實習生]項目，這個項目主要在課堂後到圖書館工作，在這個機緣巧合，我便開始接觸圖書館，亦非常喜歡這個工作嘅氛圍，自己開始慢慢在圖書館這方面繼續進修增值自己 [00:03:30.00]不驚不覺，原來我已經在這個行業呢大約工作了19年的時間！

 

Ray : [00:03:36.45] 19年呀。

 

Carmen: [00:03:38.28] 是的!好像很久了。(笑)

 

Ray : [00:03:40.41] 不是不是!不過你工作了這麼多年，應該都有很多經驗跟大家分享。

 

Carmen: [00:03:47.07] 都要不斷學習吧！因為我們這個行業都有很多不同的學習機會！直至現在還是非常喜歡我的工作呢!

 

Ray : [00:03:59.67] 對 [00:04:00.00]我想問你對[世界圖書館學]有什麼感受呢？

 

Carmen: [00:04:07.23]我認為這個話題跟我初接觸圖書館的時代有很大的轉變！特別在服務創新方面！初入職圖書館工作時我們比較著重資源管理！怎樣提供一站式的服務給讀者，盡量去滿足讀者的需求， [00:04:30.00]現在這個[世界圖書館學]已經轉變了很多，例如我們開始著重SDG，探討持續的發展！圖書館可以怎樣肩負起這個責任！也會探討有關區域性的合作，知識怎樣共建共享等！

 

Ray : [00:04:52.32] 在澳門地區，[世界圖書館學] 是你們探討的話題嗎?

 

Carmen: [00:04:55.71] 我們都會探討這方面的話題。大家 [00:05:00.00] 都會分享對[世界圖書館學]的看法！特別在covid 下，過往3年對世界各地不同類型的圖書館都有很大的轉變，我們會探討疫情後的新常態，無論大家在什麼類型的圖書館工作，目的都希望辦到停課不停學，怎樣把圖書館的資源 [00:05:30.00]可以讓讀者隨時隨地使用！

 

Ray : [00:05:34.65]你可否分享一下你從什麼時候開始了解IFLA?又或者參加有關IFLA 的活動?

 

Carmen: [00:05:45.24]大家都知道IFLA有很久的歷史，相信在圖書館界大家對IFLA 都不會陌生!但我自己參加IFLA是由WLIC 開始 [00:06:00.00]在2018年，澳門地區的高校圖書館聯盟得到了政府的資助，有機會組織一班圖書館界同仁到馬來西亞吉隆坡參加IFLA WLIC，透過這個機會，我們認識到世界各地圖書館的專家們，自己覺得是一個很好的平台去學習，透過這個平台，讓世界各地的圖書館從業員了解我們本地圖書館的發展 [00:06:30.00]到2019年，我很榮幸當選了IFLA CPDWL，中文名為[繼續職業發展與職場學習委員會]的成員，讓我可以更直接參與在IFLA 專業組別的工作！

 

Ray : [00:06:48.28]吉隆坡是你第一次參與的IFLA 活動?

 

Carmen: [00:06:51.10] 對呀！吉隆坡是我第一次參與IFLA 的活動，2019年在希臘，就 [00:07:00.00]是第二次參會！之後因為疫情原因，會議為線上進行，少了機會參與實體會議。這是有關我跟IFLA的少少聯繫吧！

 

Ray : [00:07:14.65] 你有沒有一個參與IFLA WLIC很難忘的回憶可以跟我們分享下呢?

 

Carmen: [00:07:24.78] 好的 [00:07:30.00]我參加了兩屆的WLIC，2018年於吉隆坡及2019年在希臘雅典都令我很難忘!今日主要想分享我在CPDWL 的工作，我們的組別有很多不同的項目，自己參與了一項名為’coaching initiative’的項目，我們每個人在工作的職業生涯都會面對很多不同的挑戰，而透過coaching 這個過程，我們可以得到一些專業 [00:08:00.00]人員，或者在職場上從事了很久的圖書館從業員一些啟發，從而令自己建立信心去跨越職場上遇到的問題！通過一對一的COACHING可以啟發自身思考，幫助這位員工發揮他的潛能，我由2019年起開始參與其中，疫情期間透過線上進行， [00:08:30.00]至今已經參與數年！今年2023年於荷蘭鹿特丹將會繼續推行這個項目，現在委員會已經開始籌備工作！說起最難忘呢？除了參與會議，有幸跟世界各地不同的圖書館專家一起分享及學習，當然包括 [00:09:00.00]認識你!因為我們都在2019的WLIC 認識呢!

 

Ray : [00:09:04.63] 對呀！我在不同場合及會議都看到你呢!

 

Carmen: [00:09:12.28] 當中包括很多SESSIONS及會議都有很多機會認識世界的圖書館從業員！我覺得非常難忘的。

 

Ray : [00:09:25.63] 真是很好機會！下一個問題是[00:09:30.00]你對這個職業最感興趣是什麼?

 

Carmen: [00:09:35.86]在這個工作環境可以發現及認識很多新事物，幫助讀者同時也可以擴展自己的知識及技能，在這個專業領域每日都遇到 [00:10:00.00]新挑戰，例如怎樣去滿足我們的讀者，我相信很多圖書館現在都面臨一個經費的限制，我們可以怎樣在有限的資源下，提供最優質的服務給讀者，都是我們要思考的地方。例如在圖書館工作，自己 [00:10:30.00]需要變得敏銳，去應變社會的變化，所以這是一個充滿挑戰的行業。

 

Ray : [00:10:44.01] 如果對IFLA 感興趣，你可否提供一些建議呢?

 

Carmen: [00:10:52.77] 我認為裝備好自己，對業界的發展要有獨覺性， [00:11:00.00]例如參與WLIC是一個很好的機會去初次了解IFLA 的活動!

他們每一年都會招募志願者，我認為是很好的途徑去接觸IFLA [00:11:30.00]因為直接參與活動會有更多的體會！最緊要是首先踏出第一步，要以行動去感受，從行動去認識IFLA！

 

Ray : [00:11:51.10] 很同意，我認為都要慢慢開始，因為WLIC 有很多認識新朋友的機會， [00:12:00.00] 慢慢去擴闊這個網絡。

 

Carmen: [00:12:08.50] 對呀！其實IFLA有很多不同的委員會，可透個自己感興趣的委員會，參與他們線上研討會， [00:12:30.00]這個都是一個接觸IFLA 的途徑！

 

Ray : [00:12:34.54]如果你不在圖書館工作？你認為你會做什麼樣的工作呢?

 

Carmen: [00:12:47.26] 真是一個很難答的問題！因為我在這個範疇已經很久了!如果真的需要從事令一個工作，自己比較喜歡與青少年及小朋友工作的一個人呢 [00:13:00.00] 我是一個有耐性的人，可能從事教育工作吧! 因為教育是互相影響，互相學習，因為教導人的同時自己的學習更大，因為未來的領袖太重要了。[00:13:30.00]我很希望我的工作上對社會有貢獻，如果我不從事圖書館行業，我應該從事與’青少年’相關的工作。

 

Ray : [00:13:49.49] 原來這樣!最後一個問題!

 

Carmen: [00:13:54.99]好。

 

Ray : [00:13:56.69] 你現在有什麼項目跟進中? [00:14:00.00]可否分享一下?

 

Carmen: [00:14:04.57] 好！我嘗試用三點來分享我現在的工作! 我工作的地點是澳門旅遊學院，因應學院成為了[土生葡人美食烹飪技藝]-國家級非物質文化遺產的保護單位這個重任， [00:14:30.00]我們要保存[土生菜]，因此與其他單位合作，推出土生菜資料庫，而圖書館也要設置土生菜專題室呢！希望構建、收錄與土生菜相關資料、食譜、藏書等等，將這個重要的 [00:15:00.00]資源保存下來，傳承到下一代，讓他們了解這個深厚的文化底蘊，構建這個特藏是我工作其一的任務。

 

澳門是一個很少的地方，所以合作很重要!由2014起澳門地區便成立了高校圖書館聯盟，把本澳的高等院校圖書館聯合起來 [00:15:30.00]由 2023年起，本人慶幸得到大家的支持而成為新任的聯盟主席，我的任期為2年，希望透過聯盟，為澳門高校教職員及學生提供豐富的學習資源。每年4月是澳門[00:16:00.00]的圖書館周，無論大中小學或高等院校圖書館都忙著舉辦不同活動去支持這個盛事。為了融入國家的發展，早在2017年組織了粵港澳大灣區高校圖書館聯盟，主要目的是促進我們三地圖書館交流，希望可以資源共建共享 [00:16:30.00]我們4月19至21號將會舉辦為期三日的活動，名為[2023粵港澳高校圖書館聯盟年會暨館長論壇]，過往因為疫情原因，很多會議都改為線上進行，今次為實體會議，我非常期待，可以跟粵港澳三地圖書館代表[00:17:00.00]交流，這幾個項目讓我感受到將會有一個很充實的2023年。

 

Ray : [00:17:10.65] 嘩，真的要加油Carmen！

 

Carmen: [00:17:11.49] 對，我會努力呢！

 

Ray : [00:17:16.35] 我今天真的很多謝你的分享！ [00:17:30.00]真的很有意思，希望聽眾有什麼問題都可以與我們CPDWL 聯絡。

 

Carmen: [00:17:40.92] 可以呀！我很多謝你的邀請! 讓我有機會跟大家分享我的工作! 如有興趣了解上述分享的項目，歡迎聽眾與我們聯絡。

 

Ray : [00:17:56.91] 好呀！我們未來時間會令一集的專訪 [00:18:00.00]希望大家再收聽我們的分享吧!! 下次再見!! Bye！

 

Carmen: [00:18:08.55] Bye。

 

Transcript (Simplified Chinese)

Ray : [00:00:01.62]大家好，我是Ray Pun ，欢迎大家收听IFLA CPDWL 的podcast 项目，我们平日都会邀请图书馆界的同事去分享他们的工作，希望大家喜欢今天这一节!今天嘉宾是澳门的Carmen Lei!

 

Carmen: [00:00:30.39] [00:00:30.00]你好，大家好。

 

Ray : [00:00:32.49] 欢迎你!今天我们会尝试以广东话、英语来做这个节目，Carmen，你有些活动可跟大家聊聊吗?你可否分享你现在身于什么地方？你的工作等等。

 

Carmen: [00:00:59.70] 好 [00:01:00.00]大家好，首先我很感谢Ray 今天的邀请！在这个平台跟大家分享我的工作！我是Carmen ！我的工作地点是在澳门。

 

Ray : [00:01:13.36] 你是做那一类型的图书馆？

 

Carmen: [00:01:16.06] 我主要在一所大专院校的图书馆工作，学院名称为「澳门旅游学院」，这所学院主要提供本科及研究生有关旅游及酒店业相关的课程 [00:01:30.00]而我是这所图书馆的馆长。

 

Ray : [00:01:38.24]如果你需要用一个字形容你自己的性格，你认为可以用什么词呢?

 

Carmen: [00:01:47.18]用一个去形容都比较难! 因为我都很贪心呢！如果真的要用一个词来形容自己？我认为是承担力，我认为做每一件事都一定要有责任心，[00:02:00.00]要勇于承担，这个态度是非常紧要。但我会希望把这个问题改变为:自己在别人心目中是一个怎样的人呢？例如别人想起Carmen，他们对我的评价是怎样? 而我希望自己在职场上，或在不同岗位上，都是一个被人信赖的人! 我希望自己可以成为一个 [00:02:30.00]有我在。别人就会觉得安心的一个人啦！

 

Ray : [00:02:32.96] 讲得非常好。请问你怎样开始在图书馆工作呢? 你可否分享你的故事呢?

 

Carmen: [00:02:43.16] 可以。我想起在自己修读本科课程的时候，都很希望累积 [00:03:00.00]一些工作经验，而刚好学院有一个为期十个月的[管理实习生]项目，这个项目主要在课堂后到图书馆工作，在这个机缘巧合，我便开始接触图书馆，亦非常喜欢这个工作嘅氛围，自己开始慢慢在图书馆这方面继续进修增值自己 [00:03:30.00]不惊不觉，原来我已经在这个行业呢大约工作了19年的时间！

 

Ray : [00:03:36.45] 19年呀。

 

Carmen: [00:03:38.28] 是的!好像很久了。(笑)

 

Ray : [00:03:40.41] 不是不是!不过你工作了这么多年，应该都有很多经验跟大家分享。

 

Carmen: [00:03:47.07] 都要不断学习吧！因为我们这个行业都有很多不同的学习机会！直至现在还是非常喜欢我的工作呢!

 

Ray : [00:03:59.67] 对 [00:04:00.00]我想问你对[世界图书馆学]有什么感受呢？

 

Carmen: [00:04:07.23]我认为这个话题跟我初接触图书馆的时代有很大的转变！特别在服务创新方面！初入职图书馆工作时我们比较着重资源管理！怎样提供一站式的服务给读者，尽量去满足读者的需求， [00:04:30.00]现在这个[世界图书馆学]已经转变了很多，例如我们开始着重SDG，探讨持续的发展！图书馆可以怎样肩负起这个责任！也会探讨有关区域性的合作，知识怎样共建共享等！

 

Ray : [00:04:52.32] 在澳门地区，[世界图书馆学] 是你们探讨的话题吗?

 

Carmen: [00:04:55.71] 我们都会探讨这方面的话题。大家 [00:05:00.00] 都会分享对[世界图书馆学]的看法！特别在covid 下，过往3年对世界各地不同类型的图书馆都有很大的转变，我们会探讨疫情后的新常态，无论大家在什么类型的图书馆工作，目的都希望办到停课不停学，怎样把图书馆的资源 [00:05:30.00]可以让读者随时随地使用！

 

Ray : [00:05:34.65]你可否分享一下你从什么时候开始了解IFLA?又或者参加有关IFLA 的活动?

 

Carmen: [00:05:45.24]大家都知道IFLA有很久的历史，相信在图书馆界大家对IFLA 都不会陌生!但我自己参加IFLA是由WLIC 开始 [00:06:00.00]在2018年，澳门地区的高校图书馆联盟得到了政府的资助，有机会组织一班图书馆界同仁到马来西亚吉隆坡参加IFLA WLIC，透过这个机会，我们认识到世界各地图书馆的专家们，自己觉得是一个很好的平台去学习，透过这个平台，让世界各地的图书馆从业员了解我们本地图书馆的发展 [00:06:30.00]到2019年，我很荣幸当选了IFLA CPDWL，中文名为[继续职业发展与职场学习委员会]的成员，让我可以更直接参与在IFLA 专业组别的工作！

 

Ray : [00:06:48.28]吉隆坡是你第一次参与的IFLA 活动?

 

Carmen: [00:06:51.10] 对呀！吉隆坡是我第一次参与IFLA 的活动，2019年在希腊，就 [00:07:00.00]是第二次参会！之后因为疫情原因，会议为在线进行，少了机会参与实体会议。这是有关我跟IFLA的少少联系吧！

 

Ray : [00:07:14.65] 你有没有一个参与IFLA WLIC很难忘的回忆可以跟我们分享下呢?

 

Carmen: [00:07:24.78] 好的 [00:07:30.00]我参加了两届的WLIC，2018年于吉隆坡及2019年在希腊雅典都令我很难忘!今日主要想分享我在CPDWL 的工作，我们的组别有很多不同的项目，自己参与了一项名为’coaching initiative’的项目，我们每个人在工作的职业生涯都会面对很多不同的挑战，而透过coaching 这个过程，我们可以得到一些专业 [00:08:00.00]人员，或者在职场上从事了很久的图书馆从业员一些启发，从而令自己建立信心去跨越职场上遇到的问题！通过一对一的COACHING可以启发自身思考，帮助这位员工发挥他的潜能，我由2019年起开始参与其中，疫情期间透过在线进行， [00:08:30.00]至今已经参与数年！今年2023年于荷兰鹿特丹将会继续推行这个项目，现在委员会已经开始筹备工作！说起最难忘呢？除了参与会议，有幸跟世界各地不同的图书馆专家一起分享及学习，当然包括 [00:09:00.00]认识你!因为我们都在2019的WLIC 认识呢!

 

Ray : [00:09:04.63] 对呀！我在不同场合及会议都看到你呢!

 

Carmen: [00:09:12.28] 当中包括很多SESSIONS及会议都有很多机会认识世界的图书馆从业员！我觉得非常难忘的。

 

Ray : [00:09:25.63] 真是很好机会！下一个问题是[00:09:30.00]你对这个职业最感兴趣是什么?

 

Carmen: [00:09:35.86]在这个工作环境可以发现及认识很多新事物，帮助读者同时也可以扩展自己的知识及技能，在这个专业领域每日都遇到 [00:10:00.00]新挑战，例如怎样去满足我们的读者，我相信很多图书馆现在都面临一个经费的限制，我们可以怎样在有限的资源下，提供最优质的服务给读者，都是我们要思考的地方。例如在图书馆工作，自己 [00:10:30.00]需要变得敏锐，去应变社会的变化，所以这是一个充满挑战的行业。

 

Ray : [00:10:44.01] 如果对IFLA 感兴趣，你可否提供一些建议呢?

 

Carmen: [00:10:52.77] 我认为装备好自己，对业界的发展要有独觉性， [00:11:00.00]例如参与WLIC是一个很好的机会去初次了解IFLA 的活动!

他们每一年都会招募志愿者，我认为是很好的途径去接触IFLA [00:11:30.00]因为直接参与活动会有更多的体会！最紧要是首先踏出第一步，要以行动去感受，从行动去认识IFLA！

 

Ray : [00:11:51.10] 很同意，我认为都要慢慢开始，因为WLIC 有很多认识新朋友的机会， [00:12:00.00] 慢慢去扩阔这个网络。

 

Carmen: [00:12:08.50] 对呀！其实IFLA有很多不同的委员会，可透个自己感兴趣的委员会，参与他们在线研讨会， [00:12:30.00]这个都是一个接触IFLA 的途径！

 

Ray : [00:12:34.54]如果你不在图书馆工作？你认为你会做什么样的工作呢?

 

Carmen: [00:12:47.26] 真是一个很难答的问题！因为我在这个范畴已经很久了!如果真的需要从事令一个工作，自己比较喜欢与青少年及小朋友工作的一个人呢 [00:13:00.00] 我是一个有耐性的人，可能从事教育工作吧! 因为教育是互相影响，互相学习，因为教导人的同时自己的学习更大，因为未来的领袖太重要了。[00:13:30.00]我很希望我的工作上对社会有贡献，如果我不从事图书馆行业，我应该从事与’青少年’相关的工作。

 

Ray : [00:13:49.49] 原来这样!最后一个问题!

 

Carmen: [00:13:54.99]好。

 

Ray : [00:13:56.69] 你现在有什么项目跟进中? [00:14:00.00]可否分享一下?

 

Carmen: [00:14:04.57] 好！我尝试用三点来分享我现在的工作! 我工作的地点是澳门旅游学院，因应学院成为了[土生葡人美食烹饪技艺]-国家级非物质文化遗产的保护单位这个重任， [00:14:30.00]我们要保存[土生菜]，因此与其他单位合作，推出土生菜数据库，而图书馆也要设置土生菜专题室呢！希望构建、收录与土生菜相关资料、食谱、藏书等等，将这个重要的 [00:15:00.00]资源保存下来，传承到下一代，让他们了解这个深厚的文化底蕴，构建这个特藏是我工作其一的任务。

 

澳门是一个很少的地方，所以合作很重要!由2014起澳门地区便成立了高校图书馆联盟，把本澳的高等院校图书馆联合起来 [00:15:30.00]由 2023年起，本人庆幸得到大家的支持而成为新任的联盟主席，我的任期为2年，希望透过联盟，为澳门高校教职员及学生提供丰富的学习资源。每年4月是澳门[00:16:00.00]的图书馆周，无论大中小学或高等院校图书馆都忙着举办不同活动去支持这个盛事。为了融入国家的发展，早在2017年组织了粤港澳大湾区高校图书馆联盟，主要目的是促进我们三地图书馆交流，希望可以资源共建共享 [00:16:30.00]我们4月19至21号将会举办为期三日的活动，名为[2023粤港澳高校图书馆联盟年会暨馆长论坛]，过往因为疫情原因，很多会议都改为在线进行，今次为实体会议，我非常期待，可以跟粤港澳三地图书馆代表[00:17:00.00]交流，这几个项目让我感受到将会有一个很充实的2023年。

 

Ray : [00:17:10.65] 哗，真的要加油Carmen！

 

Carmen: [00:17:11.49] 对，我会努力呢！

 

Ray : [00:17:16.35] 我今天真的很多谢你的分享！ [00:17:30.00]真的很有意思，希望听众有什么问题都可以与我们CPDWL 联络。

 

Carmen: [00:17:40.92] 可以呀！我很多谢你的邀请! 让我有机会跟大家分享我的工作! 如有兴趣了解上述分享的项目，欢迎听众与我们联络。

 

Ray : [00:17:56.91] 好呀！我们未来时间会令一集的专访 [00:18:00.00]希望大家再收听我们的分享吧!! 下次再见!! Bye！

 

Carmen: [00:18:08.55] Bye。

 

 

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Ray : [00:00:01.62]Hello. This is Ray Pun, welcome to our IFLA CPDWL podcast project, we often invite colleagues in the library field to share their work and we are happy to have Carmen Lei today.

Carmen: [00:00:30.39] [00:00:30.00]Hello everyone!

Ray : [00:00:32.49] Welcome, let us try to use Cantonese and English for this episode, can you tell us where you are and where do you work?

Carmen: [00:00:59.70] Sure [00:01:00.00] Hello everyone, first of all, I would like to thank Ray for the invitation to share my work in this platform. My name is Carmen and I’m from Macao.

Ray : [00:01:13.36] What type of library are you working？

Carmen: [00:01:16.06] I work in an academic library named ‘Macao Institute for tourism Studies.” The institute mainly offers undergraduate and postgraduate programmes in the area of Tourism and Hospitality, and I’m the head librarian.

Ray : [00:01:38.24] If you had to describe yourself using only one word, what word would it be?

Carmen: [00:01:47.18]Is very difficult to use simply one word as I’m a bit greedy! But if I must use one word only, I would say ‘responsibility’. I think is important to take up responsibility in whatever circumstances. [00:02:00.00] However, I would like to twist a bit of the question to what kind of person am I in the eyes of others? When others think of Carmen, what impression do they have? I hope I can be trusted by others in the workplace or in any different positions [00:02:30.00] I hope I can make people feel at ease when Carmen is around！

Ray : [00:02:32.96] What compelled you to become a librarian? How did you get started?

Carmen: [00:02:43.16] I remembered when I was in my undergraduate, I tried to look for opportunities to accumulate some working experiences [00:03:00.00]it happened that the Institute that I attended had a “Ten month management trainee scheme”,in which I had to work in the library after class, this is how I came into contact with the library and I enjoyed the atmosphere working there, I started to treat this as my profession and gradually continue my postgraduate in library science [00:03:30.00] time flies and I have been working in this industry for about 19 years.

Ray : [00:03:36.45] 19 years!

Carmen: [00:03:38.28] Yup, sounds quite a long time though…

Ray : [00:03:40.41] No..no..! Can you share with us your experiences after spending all these years in the library?

Carmen: [00:03:47.07] keep the enthusiasm and keep learning, because there is so much opportunities in the library industry. I still enjoy my job very much!

Ray : [00:03:59.67] That’s right! [00:04:00.00] What does global librarianship mean to you? Has that vision changed for you over the years?

Carmen: [00:04:07.23] I think this topic has a big change compared from the first day I stepped into the profession, especially in service innovation. When I first started working in the library, we pay more attention to resources management, how to provide quality one-stop services to users and meet their needs. [00:04:30.00] Now, aside from providing quality services, we also focus on sustainability. For instance, the SDG has been discussed. How libraries shoulder these responsibilities? We also focus on regional and international collaboration, how to build and share knowledge.

Ray : [00:04:52.32] In Macao, is ‘Global Librarianship’ on discussion?

Carmen: [00:04:55.71] Definitely! We [00:05:00.00] always share our views among different libraries. Especially under the time of covid, a lot of changes has been around for the past 3 years, and discussion on the ‘new normal’ in the post pandemic, no matter what type of libraries you work in, we always focus on ‘suspension of classes without suspending learning’,. [00:05:30.00] we seek ways to ensure library resources are made available to user anytime and anywhere!

Ray : [00:05:34.65] That’s great! How did you first get involved in IFLA?

Carmen: [00:05:45.24] We know that IFLA has a long standing history, but my participation in IFLA starts with WLIC. [00:06:00.00]In 2018, the Macao Academic Library Alliance had organized a group of library colleagues to attend the IFLA WLIC in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia with the support from the government, though this opportunity, we met library experts around the globe, we also make use of this platform to let the world learn about our local libraries as well. [00:06:30.00]  In 2019, I’m honored to be elected as one of the standing committee member in IFLA CPDWL, so that I can directly get involved in IFLA activities.

Ray : [00:06:48.28]Is Kuala Lumpur your first encountered with IFLA?

Carmen: [00:06:51.10] That’s right! I started IFLA activities as a new-comer on WLIC in KL in 2018 and Athens in 2019, [00:07:00.00] Due to the epidemic, the WLIC has been moved online for a few years, I would say WLIC is somehow my connections with IFLA.

Ray : [00:07:14.65] Can you share with us a memorable moment you have about IFLA WLIC! Maybe a WLIC session or meeting or a social you attended?

Carmen: [00:07:24.78] Alright! [00:07:30.00]I participated twice in WLIC, one in KL and one time in Greece. Our group, CPDWL has various projects and I would like to share the ‘coaching initiative’ that I participated since 2019. Each of us will face lots of challenges in our day to day tasks, and through the process of coaching, we can get some inspiration from library professionals or librarians who have been working in the profession for a very long time. [00:08:00.00] Through the one on one coaching, you can gain some stimulation to build confidence to overcome problems we encountered in the workplace, it helps to inspire one’s own potentials! During the epidemic, the coaching initiative has been moved online. [00:08:30.00] In 2023, we will have the physical coaching again in Rotterdam, and the committee has started preparations for this project now! In additional to participate in conferences and involving in projects. [00:09:00.00] Ray, meeting you and many others in WLIC back in 2019 is also one of the memorable moments too, because we also build network in joining WLIC events.

Ray : [00:09:04.63] That’s right, I remembered seeing you in some of the events during the WLIC!

Carmen: [00:09:12.28] There are lots of sessions we can attend to know about different library colleagues around the globe! I think this is one of the memorable moments when participating in WLIC.

Ray : [00:09:25.63] Really great opportunity! Next question is what are you most excited about in the profession?

Carmen: [00:09:35.86] In our profession, you can discover many new skills and expand your knowledge every single day. [00:10:00.00] For example, how we can sustain the best service to users despite the heavy budget cut on libraries, how to keep up with ‘tech-savvy’ to adapt to the ever-changing world. When working in a library, [00:10:30.00] we need to become sensitive and adapt to social changes, so, it’s a challenging industry.

Ray : [00:10:44.01] What’s a professional development tip or advice that you’d like to share with others, particularly those who are new and/or would like to be involved in IFLA?

Carmen: [00:10:52.77] Well equip yourself and awareness on the development of the library industry! [00:11:00.00] For example, participating in WLIC is a great opportunity to learn about IFLA for the first time. They recruit volunteers every year, is a chance to reach out to IFLA  [00:11:30.00] because with direct participation it will be more rewarding. The most important thing is to take the first step, feel it though action!

Ray : [00:11:51.10] Totally agree, because this is how we can make friends and build up network.

Carmen: [00:12:08.50] Yes, in fact, IFLA has many different committees, you can start by picking a committee with your own interest and participate their seminars and workshops online. [00:12:30.00]This is a way to get in touch with IFLA too.

Ray : [00:12:34.54] If you didn’t work in libraries, what profession other than librarianship would you have wanted to attempt?

Carmen: [00:12:47.26] What a difficult question to answer because I have been working in this field for so long. If I really need to engage to a new job, I prefer to work with teenagers or children. [00:13:00.00] I consider myself having patience with teens and kids, probably I would like to involve in education. Education to me is mutual influence and learning from each other, teens and kids are somehow leaders of the future! [00:13:30.00]I hope what I do can pay contribution to society, if I’m not working in the library industry, I hope to work with these future leaders.

Ray : [00:13:49.49] I see, let’s go into the last question…

Carmen: [00:13:54.99]Sure

Ray : [00:13:56.69] Can you tell us about a recent project, presentation or program that you are working on or an upcoming event that you’ll be “zooming” in and what you might be presenting on?

Carmen: [00:14:04.57] I would like to share 3 tasks. The IFTM I work for is named protection unit of National Intangible Cultural Heritage on Macanese Gastronomy, [00:14:30.00] Thus, we have the mission to preserve this Intangible asset, with co-operation with other government units, a Macanese Database has been established, the library has to take up responsibilities to create a special collection including monographs, recipes, manuscripts etc inside the library in preserving this important resources.  [00:15:00.00] so that our next generation can understand this profound cultural heritage.

Macao is a small place, so collaboration is very important. Since 2014, the Macao Academic Library Alliance has been established.  [00:15:30.00] In 2023, I am honored to run as Chairperson of the alliance for 2 years, I hope that through the work of the alliance, we can provide better services and rich resources for faculties and students among these member libraries. In addition, April is the Macao Library week, [00:16:00.00], different types of libraries are busy arranging different activities to support these important moments. To integrate into national development plans, the Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area University Library Alliance has been established in 2017, the main purpose is to promote exchanges between these three regions, so that we can build and share resources.  [00:16:30.00] The “2023 Annual Meeting of the Guangdong-Hong Kong -Macau University Library Alliance and Forum” will take place from 19-21 April in Macao this year, due to the epidemic, our previous conferences were held online, so I’m longing to meet these library friends again physically this month for sharing and exchange. [00:17:00.00] these projects keeps me motivated and I guess I will be having a very fulfilling 2023.

Ray : [00:17:10.65] Wow! You have to work hard Carmen.

Carmen: [00:17:11.49] Right, I will.

Ray : [00:17:16.35] Thanks for your sharing today!  [00:17:30.00] Is very meaningful, thanks for listening to our episode today, get in touch with CPDWL if you have any queries.

Carmen: [00:17:40.92] Thanks for your invitation Ray, if listeners are interested to know more about our activities, they can get in touch with CPDWL or me.

Ray : [00:17:56.91] Sure, we will have another episode soon, [00:18:00.00] hope everyone can join us again next time, bye.

Carmen: [00:18:08.55] bye.

Colleagues, we are excited to announce the our newest episode (season 4) of the CPDWL Podcast Project where we feature library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.

See here for the podcast

Our host for this episode is Ray Pun (CPDWL). Our guest is Lessa Kananiʻopua Pelayo-Lozada, American Library Association President.

Lessa Kananiʻopua Pelayo-Lozada is currently the President of the American Library Association. Lessa began her career at the County of Los Angeles Public Library’s Lomita Library as a page and has worked as a clerk, children’s librarian, teen librarian, and adult services librarian. She is currently the Adult Services Assistant Manager at the Palos Verdes Library District in Southern California and the Past Executive Director of the Asian/Pacific American Librarians Association.

Transcript

Ray
This is Raymond Pun, a member of the CPDWL standing committee. Welcome to the IFLA CPDWL Podcast Project. In this space, we talk with library and information professionals who support and participate in professional development work.. Today’s guest is President of the American Library Association – Lessa Kananiʻopua Pelayo-Lozada. Welcome Lessa!

Lessa
Hi, Ray. Thanks for having me.

Ray
Yeah, we’re so excited to have you here. And for those who are not familiar with Lessa’s work, I will just share that Lessa began her career at the County of Los Angeles Public Library’s Lomita Library as a page and has worked as a clerk, children’s librarian, teen librarian, and adult services librarian. She is currently the Adult Services Assistant Manager at the Palos Verdes Library District in Southern California and the Past Executive Director of the Asian/Pacific American Librarians Association. And full disclosure. I do know Lessa, personally, due to our work at American Association, as well as the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association known as APALA. So I’m just excited to connect with Lessa here and have this conversation. And so we have a series of questions for you. And the first question we have for you is if you had to describe yourself using only one word, what word would it be?

Lessa
This is the most difficult question. I think that you’re probably going to ask me because I would say it does depend on the day I have a mini calendar that I keep on my desk that has like a different word so that you can signal to people what you are feeling that day. Right now it’s on, “spent”, but I would say if I had to pick one word for longterm, that would describe myself it is “enthusiastic.” Even if I don’t always feel enthusiastic. I tried to come off that way because I feel like the energy brings like you have to manifest what you want to be. So I’m gonna go with enthusiastic.

Ray
That’s a great choice of words. And it totally makes sense that it depends on your day, the mood and the context. So when I just read your bio there briefly and you’ve accomplished a lot a lot for folks who aren’t familiar with what’s amazing in her work and contributions to the field, but but sort of trying to find your your origin story, like What compelled you to become a librarian, like how did you get started?

Lessa
Yeah, so I was always drawn to work where I could be of service to others. I wanted to be an elementary school librarian. Ever since I was in elementary school pretty much I had some brief forays into wanting to be like a veterinarian and marine biologist, I think, as a lot of kids did growing up in the 90s that I don’t know how we got super into marine biology. But what made me become a librarian was I was actually working at Borders Books. I was in community college. So trying to figure out you know, what, four year I wanted to go to what my path looked like when I was going to be a teacher. And while I was working there, a group of librarians from the Los Angeles Public Library came in with their end of the year slush fund, and just bought carts and carts and carts of books. And I was like I asked the clerk are like, what, who are these people? They’re like, “Oh, they’re librarians.” And I was like, like, a librarian? Like, I’ve never thought that that was a career path. I went to the library every day after school from fourth grade and on because that was the place that I was allowed to go to by myself. I knew the librarians like checked out books, I was a, you know, avid reader. And so when I saw that, that was a career option and really started exploring, I was like this has a lot of those values of service that I really am drawn to and being a part of the community and giving back. And so I figured that it would probably be my second career once I got burnt out from teaching because I always like to have a plan B and you know, just be realistic about what the job market looks like. But I went to two days of credential classes at Cal State Long Beach and I was like, this job is not for me. Being in a classroom with you know, 30 kids all by myself, you know, with teacher’s aides and such, but I was like this is this is not what I thought it was going to be. And when I was in that credential class, a lot of the things I talked about, were about my love of research, my love of learning, my love of sharing that learning with all ages, and so that’s when I decided I was going to drop out of that program. I went down to my local library to ask if I could volunteer and bless the Community Library Manager Linda Shimani, she said, You seem like you’d be a great volunteer, but I actually really need a library page if you don’t mind being paid to work in the library. And that’s kind of the how it just got started. I started working as a page, went to library school and was on that children’s path ever since then, to be a children’s librarian to have that connection to my elementary school teacher roots.

Ray
Truly fascinating to hear how you went from working in a bookstore and then being sort of inspired by this kind of work that we’re doing in the field. And I wanted to sort of have a follow up with you about that, that experience working as a page and then being a librarian and sort of that those experiences because I know for many listeners, we’re all likely workers work in different roles, but whether that working as a page has really helped you prepare to be a librarian or maybe give you some insight that maybe to share some kind of insight that you have to share with listeners?

Lessa
Yeah, you know, I think that so I’ve been, you know, like you read in my bio page, I’ve been a library age I’ve worked behind the circulation desk. I think those experiences really shaped how I lead and how I managed within the library as a librarian. And it also shaped how I went through my MLS program, because I had that hands on experience, and I’ve worked in nearly every type of position that you can, I feel like it provides a different kind of appreciation for the ecosystem that goes into working in a library how although some of us might be degreed and been programming or collection developments, we are not any better. We are not above any job within the library, you know, and I think especially when you get into management roles, it’s important for staff at all levels to be able to see that you are willing to do that work. One of the libraries that I worked at the Rancho Cucamonga Public Library in Rancho Cucamonga California. Our library director Michelle Perera said, “I’ll never ask you to do anything that I wouldn’t do.” You know, and she came up in kind of that same way. And that’s a philosophy that I really carry with me as well, because I think that that’s how you create a real team. And that’s how you create a community and, you know, we’re a community based profession and a service based profession. So I think that that’s really informed my approach and it’s been reaffirmed along the way by other mentors and other people that I look up to

Lessa
That’s really well said and others the same maybe coming from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, who said all labor has dignity.

Lessa
hmm mmm.

Ray
So that that really resonates with with everyone’s role in the library and how they contribute to support the community. And then that actually leads to this other question about global librarianship. And so it’s, it’s important that that we are all in this together as individuals as organizations, but also as collective because our field is about information sharing, resource sharing, and learning together. So I wonder from your experience, and perspective, what does global librarianship mean to you and has that been changed for you over the years?

Lessa
So to me, global librarianship are all of the ways that we are connected. You know, I’ve really seen this over my year as a President having had the privilege, you know, to go to the IFLA, World Congress to go to the Sharjah Library Conference to go to the Guadalajara book here, and to be able to hear from folks and so hearing all of the challenges that we share, no matter where we are in the world, but also some of the opportunities that we see. You know, I think that to me, global librarianship is just that interconnectedness that we all have with our common values and our common goals to be able to ensure access to information to all regardless of where we live, or where we come from. It’s really important. And I think that the vision maybe hasn’t necessarily changed for me over the years. But I think that the approach has changed a little bit for me, especially having had a much more global context than I did before. And it’s because I my philosophy is often you know, like get your house in order. And then you can expand out right, but you can’t be as much good or as much service to others if you’re still really messy at home. But what I think that I’ve really found is that interconnectedness and hearing from each other actually helps us to get our own houses in order because it allows us to hear different approaches to different situations, you know, given different resources and different areas of the world that we live in. But the emphasis is just on how we are we’re all working together towards that common goal.

Ray
And you’d mentioned now as the ALA President, that’s really exciting and on top of that, Oh, you are leading this library association, the oldest one in the world. And one of the bigger biggest one so is it the biggest one? I think ..

Lessa
It is the oldest and largest,

Ray
It is oldest and largest. And so it’s pretty remarkable and and how you were explaining your views on global librarianship. So this is a question for those who are thinking about getting involved with ALA or within their own national or local library associations. How did you get first, How did you first get involved

Lessa
When I first got involved with ALA, I became a member in library school. I was not actually a member of our ALA student chapter because I was like, I’m not really much of a joiner. I’m a little bit shy. I don’t really participate in a lot of things, which are folks who know me now would never believe. But I started the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association I was invited into work on a project called, Talk Story – sharing stories sharing culture,” which was an initiative of an ALA president, then ALA President, Camila Alire, and so I started working on that project and was had the opportunity to attend. It wasn’t my first but it was the first memorable one ALA Annual Conference in Washington DC which also happened to coincide with a APALA’s 35th anniversary. And so I was exposed to this huge network of passionate library lovers who were librarians who were clerks who were friends of the library, all of these people who really cared and I already cared but it made me want to care on a level outside of my local level outside of my local library, because I saw the national impact that these folks were able to make. And so I just kept volunteering. After I finished the project with backstory, I became an elite Emerging Leader, I was a policy Emerging Leader, they selected me so I was able to go through that program. And that opened a lot of doors and a lot of opportunities for me to run for ALA Council or to serve on ALA committees like the Committee on Diversity. So not only represent APALA, but to represent all of the intersectionalities that I have in myself as an identity and the intersectionalities that I have in myself as a library worker, you know, living and working in Southern California. And so I just kept saying yes to opportunities. I now have a post it on my computer that says no, because sometimes you can say yes to too much. But I think that it’s important to say yes to things that you really believe in and to things that you really want to do. And so that has evolved into becoming a president now.

Ray
Thanks for sharing your journey. And for those who are not familiar, the American Library Association’s Emerging Leaders Program is a one-year program sponsored by American Library Association, as well as many other library groups. But you do need to be an ALA member. So if you’re interested in participating, consider looking up that information and signing up being an ALA member as well. And I believe some library groups in different parts of the world might have a similar Leadership Development Program, take advantage of them. And that’s how you could learn to learn how organizations operate and get more involved that way. So thank you for sharing. And Lessa, you had mentioned to me before that, IFLA, the world library information congress was held in Dublin in Ireland last year. That was your first time right, attending IFLA?

Lessa
It was it was so fun.

Ray
Okay, so that’s, that’s great to hear. And, and can you share with us a memorable moment at that congress and maybe a session or meeting you attended?

Lessa
Yeah. So there, it was hard to narrow it down because there were a couple of real highlights for me. So the first one that I will do more than one sorry. The first one that I’ll highlight was on Indigenous languages. Right. And so coming into that panel with a very American Lens, I’m thinking Indigenous languages like ʻŌlelo Hawaii, right, like Native Hawaiian languages, like speaking Navajo, you know what that looks like. And it was a panel of folks who were reviving Welsh and Celtic, you know, things that from that American lens, I don’t think though, and so seeing those similarities, right to how colonization, how oppression works and manifests in different forms against different people. So that was one session that I thought was really interesting on how they use metadata and wiki data to be able to revitalize these languages in print form, as well as in speaking in an auditory form and how also these practices are being ingrained in school and how to make it a living language rather than just something that you learned because it’s a requirement, and then you you never speak it again. So that was one. I also found there was a session on what library leadership and management looks like that that was facilitated by former ALA President Loida Garcia-Febo where they talked about different leadership tracks and different ways to cultivate leadership in different countries. And so there I did share a little bit about emerging leaders. But the value of mentoring really came out and the value of mentoring across countries when maybe you’re working in a place where you are by yourself often, or you don’t have a very strong, perhaps national library association or local library association for these opportunities. And so the importance also with IFLA, I found to be really helpful in that context as well. And then the final highlight that I will share was also meeting the first Pacific Islander presidents and LIANZA, The New Zealand Library Association. So as we were all the first Pacific Islander president of our association, we got a picture and we’ve been in contact ever since and are looking for ways that we can collaborate and also to support international indigenous librarians.

Lessa
Oh, I’m so glad to hear that you’re able to make all these connections and in your first if law conference to so that’s really, really great to hear. And will you be attending the Congress in Netherlands Rotterdam in August?

Lessa
Unfortunately, I don’t think I’ll be able to make the conference in Rotterdam but I do hope to be able to go to another episode in the future.

Lessa
That sounds good. So with that being said, I know you had described earlier in the first question, that you’re very enthusiastic, depending on the context, but what are you most excited about in the profession today?

Lessa
I think the thing that I’m the most excited about right now is the future of our profession. I’ve met so many library school students who are also so enthusiastic and who are so passionate but also have really wonderful ideas on how we can be better how we can be better as a profession, how we can be more inclusive as a profession, but also how to be better for our communities. They’re coming in with completely different perspectives. And I think even I came into library school with you know, 15 years ago and they’re coming into, you know, a Post George Floyd world where we cannot ignore me cannot not talk about the systemic barriers. And I think that a lot of the library school students I’m seeing are taking that challenge head on and are not afraid of it and really just want to do the best and I’m so excited to see where they are going to take us.

Lessa
Definitely, IFLA has been intentionally working on diversity as a value in its organization and and really beyond the diversity of geographic regions, which has been quite the framing of diversity, but now looking more into intersectionality and different identities within the regions to so I think there’s there’s definitely a lot a lot of work ahead but also promising work. And with that, if you can share with us a professional development tip or advice that you’d like to share with others, particularly those who are new and or would like to be involved at ALA.

Lessa
So the first one that I’ll say is, you know, don’t be afraid to volunteer for things. We are always looking for folks to work on different projects or different committees. And even if you may not be selected, you know, your first time volunteering, do not give up, because we look at you know how interested folks are how often they want to put themselves out there. And just to note that when you volunteer for something, you have to put in information about why you want to volunteer, and I will say that, as President making committee appointments and having committees helped me do this, we’d read those, we actually sit down and really internalize and try to understand who is going to be the best fit based off of that information, because it’s impossible. For us to know you know, all 500 applicants, but if we can get a sense of who you are from your bio and that you take it seriously and that you really want to be a part of that enthusiasm goes through and I think that that holds true for any organization, right that you’re volunteering for. And then the other tip that I would give is that I think conferences can be really overwhelming. You know, like, it’s been a long time since ALA was it’s it’s my first ALA conference, which was when I was in library school in I believe, 2008 and it was in Anaheim, California, was so overwhelming that I was pretty sure I would never go to another ALA annual conference. And when I first arrived that IFLA I got kind of that that similar overwhelmed feeling. You know, like I didn’t know that many folks there. There were many of our American colleagues, of course, so I did recognize but it wasn’t the kind of that comfort that now I’m used to at ALA and I had to remind myself how did how did I find comfort in this especially as somebody who was a little bit more introverted, and I remembered my rule of thumb which is just to meet one new person, one new person a day if you’re feeling ambitious when new person at an event and you don’t have to make a deep connection necessarily just Hi. Where do you work? Find out a little bit about them that may develop into something and even develop into a project. I feel like a lot of librarianship is like when you’re a teen and you want it like everybody wants to form a band, right? Like in librarians, everybody wants to write a paper together and do a project together. And so those opportunities come when you put yourself out there and you just say hello to somebody and learn a little bit about them. So those are my two tips.

Ray
Yeah, those are really great tips. Really appreciate you just framing it where you folks meet with one person who and yeah, they could really change the course of the work that they do potentially or just having connections and and just sort of go outside your comfort zone. I think that’s some that’s really key there. And now we’d like to know if you didn’t work in libraries, what profession other than librarianship which I wanted to attend.

Lessa
If we take teaching off the table, I will say that I would love to be a professional photographer. I do like you know, definitely a hobbyist photographer, but I just really find the observant quality of it and the removal that you can have to be behind the camera and behind the lens to be really a fascinating way to look at our world. So that is another profession. That I would do if it wasn’t librarianship and I felt like I was a little bit more artsy probably.

Ray
Would that also include like weddings, you think?

Lessa
Oh, okay, so that’s a good clarification. So I love like nature, photography, and still photography. So I have a series that my husband kind of makes fun of me for but I love taking pictures of empty benches. The benches are empty chairs, like in places that are either in nature or would normally be in really busy areas to kind of show like what the absence of people looks like in these places and what kind of calm and serenity looks like so things don’t move things that can’t talk about and tell me they don’t like their photos or my focus.

Ray
That makes sense and and what about people like statues sitting the benches? Would you take pictures of that where you want a completely empty bench?

Lessa
Usually I do a completely empty bench but statues sitting on benches and an interesting angle. I have not I have not been able to do photography, really throughout this elite journey. So I’m really excited to take up the camera again when this is all over. And I think I’m going to explore that a little bit more. Thank you for that idea. Ray.

Ray
We are really interested in seeing some of these is there a website or something you’re just doing on the side privately?

Lessa
I do have a photography website that I started a long time ago. I believe the address is https://kodachromelibrarian.wordpress.com/

Ray
We’ll be sure to put that in the transcript. So folks…

Lessa
Yeah, I’ll find it.

Ray
Thanks for sharing that and in addition to that, so it’s really a great to hear about outside of librarianship so if you were to do that, but in addition to that kind of project that you are working on, are there any other recent activities coming up presentations or programs that you’re working on or an event that maybe you’ll be zooming in and what might you be presenting on?

Lessa
Yeah, so I have a number of presentations coming up. I will be speaking at the Massachusetts Library Association. I will be speaking with the University of Maryland. And I will also be speaking with the Florida Library Association on you know what it means to be brave in librarianship right now. So my presidential theme has been our brave communities because we’ve had to be brave in ways that we didn’t know possible because of COVID Because of you know, the protests that we’ve gone through because of life looking completely different than it did a couple of years ago. And so all of the different ways that we’ve internalized this and turned it into hope. I think an optimism for our communities is really important, as well as making sure that we keep ourselves you know, in a state of action and always trying to improve while also recognizing that we can burn out and that we do have to have rest and so the way that these conflicting things, lots of libraries is what a lot of those presentations will be about. And I’ll send links along also for the University of Maryland one is open to anyone who wants to view so we can share that out and that’ll be during National Library Week at the end of April. But I’m also really excited about our upcoming ALA Annual Conference in Chicago, which will be June 22 through the 27th. I’m very excited about my ALA President’s program, which is going to feature Kumu Hula and documentarian and cultural practitioner Hinaleimoana Wong-Kalu who who also won a Stonewall Honor Award at the Youth Media Awards for her book of Kapaemahu. So she’ll be one of our speakers amongst the you know, hundreds of wonderful alien members who will also be presenting all of the exciting events that we’ll have. Chicago was kind of a coming home for me, that’s where I had my APALA presidency, presidential year as well. And so a lot of really important things have happened to me professionally in Chicago and I’m excited to celebrate with everyone the you know, first fully in person you’re really that we’ve had in this hybrid here.

Ray
So many wonderful things, Lessa, that you are sharing and working on. Congratulations on a really fantastic ALA presidency. I know what you still have several more months to go but still like it’s just a joy watching all the work and others working with you and what you’re all doing to build community and promote librarianship and the core values that we are really deeply committed to. So thank you again Lessa, for taking the time to chat with me and, and for sharing your your your ideas and thoughts with us. We really appreciate you doing this work and really inspiring all of us here.

Lessa
You are right, it has been a pleasure. And folks, please definitely keep in touch and let me know if I can be of any help to you now or in the future.

Ray
That’s great. And with that, we will end it here. So thank you so much. everyone for listening. And be sure to stay tuned for our next episode. Take care!